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01-14-2014, 07:02 AM
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Do you have an example of this bad information? I agree that it needs to be corrected.
01-14-2014, 07:03 AM
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01-14-2014, 07:03 AM
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I don't know if this has been posted before. Just watch before you bid the maddog.
Hitler Gets a bid to the Maddog - YouTube
Hitler Gets a bid to the Maddog - YouTube
01-14-2014, 07:15 AM
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Sailing,
What Steve Diickson wrote was that IF contract 2012 was ratified THEN he anticipated hiring would begin in the fall of 2012 and continue in the Spring of 2013. (it was in one of his weekly howgozit "that's all for now" briefs and I posted it here the last time this came up.)
Many pilots did consider this publication to be a conditional promise. They responded, voted for the contract and feel that the Company breached that promise.
It probably isn't Steve Dickson's fault. I believe his statement was made in good faith. It turned out to be incorrect.
What Steve Diickson wrote was that IF contract 2012 was ratified THEN he anticipated hiring would begin in the fall of 2012 and continue in the Spring of 2013. (it was in one of his weekly howgozit "that's all for now" briefs and I posted it here the last time this came up.)
Many pilots did consider this publication to be a conditional promise. They responded, voted for the contract and feel that the Company breached that promise.
It probably isn't Steve Dickson's fault. I believe his statement was made in good faith. It turned out to be incorrect.
01-14-2014, 07:32 AM
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01-14-2014, 07:35 AM
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01-14-2014, 08:05 AM
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"the FAR is also quite clear that the pilots must get 8 hours of "uninterrupted sleep opportunity" at the layover hotel. This is basically the same as the 8 hours behind the door we have had in the PWA for a number of years, but now it is required. It is not 8 hours of sleep."
"The FAR has changed to require a minimum of 8 uninterrupted hours of sleep opportunity. The eight hours begins when you get to your room and ends when you leave your room for pickup."
01-14-2014, 08:18 AM
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And the company will as well, throwing that rogue regulation ignoring pilot under the bus with a flurry of AP press releases about how all pilots are encouraged to get the rest needed and we would hapilly delay a flight, safety is number one, etc. Do not let anyone push you on the rules or safety. If we do now, it will become accepted practice and the only way to get backing will be after something happens.
I have not seen schedulers pushing at DAL. In fact my experience in the last two weeks has been the opposite - the schedulers have been super conservative. They have been giving out GSs vice using reserves at times.
This may change as They adjust to 117, lets hope it does not.
Have you experienced or heard of Pilots at DAL being pushed?
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01-14-2014, 08:25 AM
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Gloopy,
I have not seen schedulers pushing at DAL. In fact my experience in the last two weeks has been the opposite - the schedulers have been super conservative. They have been giving out GSs vice using reserves at times.
This may change as They adjust to 117, lets hope it does not.
Have you experienced or heard of Pilots at DAL being pushed?
Scoop
I have not seen schedulers pushing at DAL. In fact my experience in the last two weeks has been the opposite - the schedulers have been super conservative. They have been giving out GSs vice using reserves at times.
This may change as They adjust to 117, lets hope it does not.
Have you experienced or heard of Pilots at DAL being pushed?
Scoop
Having said that, there are some within DALPA that are misinterpreting the 8 hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity in FAR 117 to be identical to the "8 hours behind the door" provision of our pilot contract. They are telling pilots that this is the case. I know everyone can read for themselves, but I also know that some of us (not me) put a great deal of confidence in what their reps, committee chairmen, etc. tell them. I am very concerned that one of our pilots is going to end up being violated on this. Not because of being "pushed" but because they are being given bad information. At this point, the danger seems to be coming from DALPA, not the company.
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