Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-16-2009, 04:50 AM
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Plenty, just read the talk the last few pages., like 20 pages. If you do not have the time just pick someone and search their posts.
09-16-2009, 05:15 AM
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Hahaha, yeah I know. I just wanted to see if there was something you were hiding. 
On a more serious note, does anyone know whats going on with the FAA looking at the rest issues? Any idea on what's being proposed?
On a more serious note, does anyone know whats going on with the FAA looking at the rest issues? Any idea on what's being proposed?
09-16-2009, 05:38 AM
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From what I have heard from a higher up at ALPA is 9 hours of hard fly but a shorter duty day. That is all and well for daytime domestic but he thinks it will carry over to the Europe augmented flying also. Not good. We lose the augment to Europe on dang near every flight. Besides the safety aspect of flying all night and not gettine a break, we lose higher paying wide body jobs to make the regionals safer. Way to go ALPA. 
09-16-2009, 05:47 AM
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From what I have heard from a higher up at ALPA is 9 hours of hard fly but a shorter duty day. That is all and well for daytime domestic but he thinks it will carry over to the Europe augmented flying also. Not good. We lose the augment to Europe on dang near every flight. Besides the safety aspect of flying all night and not gettine a break, we lose higher paying wide body jobs to make the regionals safer. Way to go ALPA.
09-16-2009, 06:00 AM
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I agree, but remember ALPA is catering to the regional pilots who make up the majority in numbers, NOT DUES. I agree about crazy and unsafe but Europe can be done in a 11 hour duty day now. 1 hr report, 8:30 flight 30 min release=10:00 on duty.
09-16-2009, 06:11 AM
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The thing you have to keep in mind is that the nine hrs of flight time is rumored to be a sliding scale based on local report time in your domicile. Not going to work real well with 0100 shows ATL or JFK time in Europe for two man crews.
Nice thing is that we have a lot of this defined in our PWA, so we may get pressure from the company if worse case happens, but it does not mean we need to agree to it. I am sure it will be a hard sell, but lets wait and see what actually comes out. The augmentation is there for a reason, and I cannot for the life of me see ALPA going along with this. In effect you reduce widebody staffing by 33%, and put a huge hole in safety.
I personally think that, this will not happen.
Nice thing is that we have a lot of this defined in our PWA, so we may get pressure from the company if worse case happens, but it does not mean we need to agree to it. I am sure it will be a hard sell, but lets wait and see what actually comes out. The augmentation is there for a reason, and I cannot for the life of me see ALPA going along with this. In effect you reduce widebody staffing by 33%, and put a huge hole in safety.
I personally think that, this will not happen.
09-16-2009, 06:14 AM
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Fact is that these rules are going to be designed off of sleep and fatigue studies. The same studies that we used to design our rules. It would be foolish to use a one size fits all, and they are stating that they will not do that.
We may lose some augmentation on the shorter European flying that is under nine hrs, but not all of it.
09-16-2009, 06:16 AM
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The proposed rules might actually have the opposite effect. Its a sliding scale based on your body clock. The scale is rumored to go down to 7 hour according to the WSJ. That would mean more augmented flights.
09-16-2009, 06:28 AM
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This may very well be a benefit for us not only in safety. but numbers as well. No doubt that this will be an issue in C2012 with sections 12 and 23.
I was a bit nervous when I heard Babbitt speak on this at the 2009 AVSEC conference. He asked, "Who is more tired, the guy who flew one leg over to Europe or the guy who flew 8 legs in and out of NY all day?" Of course, he wanted to say the guy in NY. My answer was, "Both." Been there, done both, and both are wiped out.
09-16-2009, 06:30 AM
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Delta Air Lines (DAL) To Offer $500M In Senior Notes
StreetInsider.com - Delta Air Lines (DAL) To Offer $500M In Senior Notes
In the spirit of posting DAL related news links.
Do you think this an attempt to pay down "bad debt" to loosen up more capital in case a bidding war starts up between us and AMR over the JAL deal?
StreetInsider.com - Delta Air Lines (DAL) To Offer $500M In Senior Notes
In the spirit of posting DAL related news links.
Do you think this an attempt to pay down "bad debt" to loosen up more capital in case a bidding war starts up between us and AMR over the JAL deal?
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