Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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These are guys YS'ing on X days not on their on-call days. I get throwing one in when on call, but doing them on your x days is working for free unless you are over the reserve cap. There are reasons for doing them on an X day, but not very many and they are almost always for free.
Good call. Bear in mind too that it is a violation of FAR 117 for the Company to assign a pilot flying, e.g., reserve, inverse assignment, with less than ten hours' notice (12 hours if the first FDP violates the pilot's WOCL).
I'm on my 3rd inverse assignment robocall today and no GSWCs have gone out. At this time, I think the company will cancel the flight before it hands out a GSWC.
Incidentally, after rerouting me into a 12 hour duty day on day 5 of a 4 day trip, does the company really think I'm going to fall over myself to help them out when they refused to hire?
Incidentally, after rerouting me into a 12 hour duty day on day 5 of a 4 day trip, does the company really think I'm going to fall over myself to help them out when they refused to hire?
Among the efforts to prepare for the new rules detailed by the Journal:
--Delta Air Lines said it is using increased productivity, including up to 15 additional hours from reserves, pilots willing to automatically extend duty time by two hours, and stroke of the pen contract changes to deal with the new rules, keeping the operation staffing neutral.
--United Airlines said it is hiring 60 to 100 pilots a month to deal with the new rules and fill vacancies caused by retirements.
--JetBlue said it has developed an in-house crew tracking program to be used by its 2,500 pilots on company-issued iPads.
--The Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), the largest pilots union in the nation, is offering a free smartphone app that pilots can use to keep track of how many hours they've worked and slept.
--The Regional Airline Association said its carriers have bumped up staffing by about 5%. Regional carriers typically serve smaller cities rather than hub airports.
I may or may not have ammended that.
If you look at the tables, you essentially lose an hour of FDP for going down one Class of facility. Even if you have to MEL whatever you have, you probably can go...but it gets tighter on the time. (Check those snaps and curtains!)
There's a new APB that outlines all the various Rest Facilities by tail number...and the backup plan (ie what biz class seat if the condo is out).
A very interesting note 1 is that on some planes, the dedicated Flight Attendant Rest facility has been approved by the FAA to act as a Class 2...and can be used to maintain operation integrity, with VP approval. Would love to see that scenario play out.
There's a new APB that outlines all the various Rest Facilities by tail number...and the backup plan (ie what biz class seat if the condo is out).
A very interesting note 1 is that on some planes, the dedicated Flight Attendant Rest facility has been approved by the FAA to act as a Class 2...and can be used to maintain operation integrity, with VP approval. Would love to see that scenario play out.
Now the out of base WS's are taking trips when they are out of reserves. I get the normal WS's......senior guys can do what they want. These out of base WS's......shouldn't happen.
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The chance you would have gotten it as a gswc is virtually nil....that fact notwithstanding, how about you bid the way you want to bid, and let everyone else bid the way deem best for them...that work for you chief? gmafb!
So no SC's for 2 days now in SLC. They have 5 LC pilots for tomorrow and didn't assign any SC. Can't figure out how that helps with 117. Everything has been covered with GS, WS, and out of base WS the past 2 days except 1 trip.
While I agree a GSWC is rare, they do happen. I've done 2 and been here 7 years. Both in scenarios just like we are in now. When the robo calls for IA's go out the next option they have is GSWC or cancel the trip.
Letting guys out of base WS is BS because they shouldn't be able to take a trip out of a base they cannot bid into in the first place. They should be able to out of base GS because then everyone else in base has at least had a shot at the trip for straight pay and premium pay.
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I also heard from a very good source that we are asking for door pay and an increase in ADG. Since I heard this I think its important for every pilot to back ALPA on this one. DO NOT acknowledge a trip until 3 hours prior and then ask for your FAR 117 mandated rest. That is how we can get some much needed leverage back
Go easy on him. People on here harp on guys for even putting in GS's because if none of us did it then we would hire more. Then when everything melts down everyone throws in WS's, YS's, and out of base WS's. That's even worse because now the trips get covered for straight pay (free if a YS on an X day) when they would have been covered by GS's at premium pay.
While I agree a GSWC is rare, they do happen. I've done 2 and been here 7 years. Both in scenarios just like we are in now. When the robo calls for IA's go out the next option they have is GSWC or cancel the trip.
Letting guys out of base WS is BS because they shouldn't be able to take a trip out of a base they cannot bid into in the first place. They should be able to out of base GS because then everyone else in base has at least had a shot at the trip for straight pay and premium pay.
While I agree a GSWC is rare, they do happen. I've done 2 and been here 7 years. Both in scenarios just like we are in now. When the robo calls for IA's go out the next option they have is GSWC or cancel the trip.
Letting guys out of base WS is BS because they shouldn't be able to take a trip out of a base they cannot bid into in the first place. They should be able to out of base GS because then everyone else in base has at least had a shot at the trip for straight pay and premium pay.
From what I was told, basically the only people the out of base white slips beat out are short call pilots.
I tried to out of base white slip a few months this year and found out that they weren't nearly as easy to get as I thought they would be.
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