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12-19-2013, 10:09 AM
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Thats right. Hey Timbo, have you met Delta's new scheduling supervisor, Ben?
Yep, you guessed it, Ben Dover!
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12-19-2013, 10:13 AM
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12-19-2013, 10:13 AM
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Quick PCS/Swap Board Question:
I've got a spillout trip end of Jan, I don't want it, but since it goes into Feb, I don't think I can get rid of it via PCS (tomorrow) or on the swap board, until after -next month's- bid runs and PCS runs begin, as in Jan. 20th, is that correct?
I've got a spillout trip end of Jan, I don't want it, but since it goes into Feb, I don't think I can get rid of it via PCS (tomorrow) or on the swap board, until after -next month's- bid runs and PCS runs begin, as in Jan. 20th, is that correct?
He said it might do it come January 20th, after the Feb. bids are done, if they have adequate reserve coverage for Feb. 2. So, I'll have to wait until Jan. 20 to try to dump it. I wasn't aware Feb. 2 is Superbowl Sunday, I have no delusions that the Patsies will be in it, so I wasn't trying to get off for that.
Feb. 2 is also my Son's 21st birthday, I was planing us a trip to Vegas, get him some hookers and blow. I guess that'll have to wait...
12-19-2013, 10:19 AM
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No you can not. Per FAR 117 you need:
30 Consecutive hours free from all duty within the 168 consecutive
hour period prior to beginning an FDP or starting short call.
168 is basically a 7 day week. The 30 hour period can be at the front end of a trip but I don't see how this is possible with a 4 day trip followed by a 3 day trip. That situation would be possible only with two 3 day trips.
Unless there is something unusual going on with deadheads or possible a warp in the space time continuum, you need a 30 hour break in there somewhere.
See the bulletin the company e-mailed out today.
I would definitely take a good long look at it before flying it as you have described.
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30 Consecutive hours free from all duty within the 168 consecutive
hour period prior to beginning an FDP or starting short call.
168 is basically a 7 day week. The 30 hour period can be at the front end of a trip but I don't see how this is possible with a 4 day trip followed by a 3 day trip. That situation would be possible only with two 3 day trips.
Unless there is something unusual going on with deadheads or possible a warp in the space time continuum, you need a 30 hour break in there somewhere.
See the bulletin the company e-mailed out today.
I would definitely take a good long look at it before flying it as you have described.
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12-19-2013, 10:36 AM
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You need 30 Consecutive hours off.
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12-19-2013, 10:41 AM
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Yep, I have a 3 day followed by a 4 day with 25 hours off between release and report. However, the 3 day has a 31 hr layo, and the 4 day has a 34 hr layo, so I'm "good to go!".
It's not 30 hrs of BLOCK now, they don't care about block... it's 60hrs of FLIGHT DUTY PERIODs, and guess what? a 30 hour layo is NOT a FDP, it's an opportunity for your to recharge your batteries away from home in a crppy hotel room, at no cost to the company...
We do need to make that time away from home cost the company something, and get paid for it.
It's not 30 hrs of BLOCK now, they don't care about block... it's 60hrs of FLIGHT DUTY PERIODs, and guess what? a 30 hour layo is NOT a FDP, it's an opportunity for your to recharge your batteries away from home in a crppy hotel room, at no cost to the company...
We do need to make that time away from home cost the company something, and get paid for it.
12-19-2013, 10:52 AM
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12-19-2013, 11:11 AM
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Absolutely. Even now after how many decades and computer backups and supervisors, etc. they still occasionally get some of the basic FAR stuff wrong. These next few months will be a huge CYA exercise, especially with the company attempting to push us into contractually illegal mandates to overcome self induced logistical issues.
12-19-2013, 11:20 AM
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Take a look at my example again - there are 30 consecutive hours off at the beginning. After the pilot had worked his 7 days, he had 137 hours without a 30 hour rest. But, that's ok because he DID have 30+ consecutive hours of rest in the previous 168. 168 - 137 = 31. In a 168 hour look back upon his release on day 7, he had 31 consecutive hours of rest - at the beginning. In other words, you can go 138 hours before needing a 30 break in duty.
12-19-2013, 11:31 AM
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