Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-19-2013, 03:32 AM
The Brown Dot +1
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I think you have long call and short call confused. On 1 Jan the WB reserves now have 14 hour short call duty period vs. 24. The long call period of a minimum of 12 hours from notification to report is unchanged for both NB and WB pilots.
The issue is the leash on long call is being tightened or at least that is the wish of the company. In theory you are basically on a 2 hour leash to acknowledge a trip so you have 10 hours of rest per 117 new requirement. Going to 16 or 19 hours would not be a concession it would be a benefit, especially to commuters.
The issue is the leash on long call is being tightened or at least that is the wish of the company. In theory you are basically on a 2 hour leash to acknowledge a trip so you have 10 hours of rest per 117 new requirement. Going to 16 or 19 hours would not be a concession it would be a benefit, especially to commuters.
Any give by us is therefore a concession.
12-19-2013, 04:14 AM
Runs with scissors
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Quick PCS/Swap Board Question:
I've got a spillout trip end of Jan, I don't want it, but since it goes into Feb, I don't think I can get rid of it via PCS (tomorrow) or on the swap board, until after -next month's- bid runs and PCS runs begin, as in Jan. 20th, is that correct?
I've got a spillout trip end of Jan, I don't want it, but since it goes into Feb, I don't think I can get rid of it via PCS (tomorrow) or on the swap board, until after -next month's- bid runs and PCS runs begin, as in Jan. 20th, is that correct?
12-19-2013, 04:21 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
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Quick PCS/Swap Board Question:
I've got a spillout trip end of Jan, I don't want it, but since it goes into Feb, I don't think I can get rid of it via PCS (tomorrow) or on the swap board, until after -next month's- bid runs and PCS runs begin, as in Jan. 20th, is that correct?
I've got a spillout trip end of Jan, I don't want it, but since it goes into Feb, I don't think I can get rid of it via PCS (tomorrow) or on the swap board, until after -next month's- bid runs and PCS runs begin, as in Jan. 20th, is that correct?
12-19-2013, 04:24 AM
Runs with scissors
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I'll put it in there and see what happens but I think I ran into this same thing a few years ago and it got denied, reason being they don't know what reserve coverage they'll have in the first week of Feb. until after they run the Feb bids.
Or was there a change to allow it, in that last SOT LOA?
Or was there a change to allow it, in that last SOT LOA?
12-19-2013, 04:24 AM
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I have engaged my reps and told them I willing to put up the ****ty schedules and the threats from SD. I am willing because we can't give in on this, this is our leverage. I have been told that DALPA understands this and the reps have their marching orders.
In fact I heard from a jumpseater that SD walked in for some negotiations last week and MD told him to, my words, pound sand. If they weren't ready to really negotiate then don't waste our time.
12-19-2013, 04:29 AM
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I'll put it in there and see what happens but I think I ran into this same thing a few years ago and it got denied, reason being they don't know what reserve coverage they'll have in the first week of Feb. until after they run the Feb bids.
Or was there a change to allow it, in that last SOT LOA?
Or was there a change to allow it, in that last SOT LOA?
12-19-2013, 04:56 AM
Gets Weekends Off
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Quick PCS/Swap Board Question:
I've got a spillout trip end of Jan, I don't want it, but since it goes into Feb, I don't think I can get rid of it via PCS (tomorrow) or on the swap board, until after -next month's- bid runs and PCS runs begin, as in Jan. 20th, is that correct?
I've got a spillout trip end of Jan, I don't want it, but since it goes into Feb, I don't think I can get rid of it via PCS (tomorrow) or on the swap board, until after -next month's- bid runs and PCS runs begin, as in Jan. 20th, is that correct?
12-19-2013, 05:08 AM
Runs with scissors
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Thanks for the replies, I'll put it in and see if it goes away...there's not much to swap with though so I may be stuck with it.
12-19-2013, 05:11 AM
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2013
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You're going to need to show me how it's "illegal" because I'm just not seeing it. Where in Part 117 does it say I must acknowledge an assignment NLT 10 hours prior to report, otherwise I am breaking the law?
If I am assigned a trip or SC without being given 10 hours of rest prior, then that violates Part 117. If I don't acknowledge an assignment NLT 10 hours to report, I haven't broken any regs. I simply can no longer be legally rested for the assignment. If I fly the trip without 10 hour rest, then I would be breaking regs. But failing to acknowledge a trip NLT 10 hours prior to report isn't illegal.
Have you seen any kind of documentation that confirms this portion of our contract is now null and void? Until the company provides proof, I'll continue to fly my contract.
I'm not trying to bust your balls here. I'm just trying to understand your point of view.
If I am assigned a trip or SC without being given 10 hours of rest prior, then that violates Part 117. If I don't acknowledge an assignment NLT 10 hours to report, I haven't broken any regs. I simply can no longer be legally rested for the assignment. If I fly the trip without 10 hour rest, then I would be breaking regs. But failing to acknowledge a trip NLT 10 hours prior to report isn't illegal.
Have you seen any kind of documentation that confirms this portion of our contract is now null and void? Until the company provides proof, I'll continue to fly my contract.
I'm not trying to bust your balls here. I'm just trying to understand your point of view.
12-19-2013, 05:23 AM
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I am please to hear that DALPA isn't rolling over on this one.
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