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12-18-2013, 04:22 AM
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Sorry FTB, I didn't win.
12-18-2013, 04:43 AM
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117 and reserve
I know this has been touched on here already but now that I know I have reserve next month, I'm looking for a little clarification so here goes...
If on my last day off before starting a reserve block, I "unofficially" look at my schedule and see that scheduling has assigned me short call at 5:00am, I don't want to start short call at 5:00am so I wait until 11:00pm to "officially" acknowledge the change to my schedule.
Since rest starts after acknowledging the change, the earliest that I could be assigned short call is now 9:00am, correct? Will they just remove the 5:00am short call if there is no acknowledgment prior to the legal rest requirement?
Doesn't this change basically void our requirement to check of schedule prior to starting reserve?
Thanks for any help
beer
If on my last day off before starting a reserve block, I "unofficially" look at my schedule and see that scheduling has assigned me short call at 5:00am, I don't want to start short call at 5:00am so I wait until 11:00pm to "officially" acknowledge the change to my schedule.
Since rest starts after acknowledging the change, the earliest that I could be assigned short call is now 9:00am, correct? Will they just remove the 5:00am short call if there is no acknowledgment prior to the legal rest requirement?
Doesn't this change basically void our requirement to check of schedule prior to starting reserve?
Thanks for any help
beer
12-18-2013, 04:58 AM
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
I know this has been touched on here already but now that I know I have reserve next month, I'm looking for a little clarification so here goes...
If on my last day off before starting a reserve block, I "unofficially" look at my schedule and see that scheduling has assigned me short call at 5:00am, I don't want to start short call at 5:00am so I wait until 11:00pm to "officially" acknowledge the change to my schedule.
Since rest starts after acknowledging the change, the earliest that I could be assigned short call is now 9:00am, correct? Will they just remove the 5:00am short call if there is no acknowledgment prior to the legal rest requirement?
Doesn't this change basically void our requirement to check of schedule prior to starting reserve?
Thanks for any help
beer
If on my last day off before starting a reserve block, I "unofficially" look at my schedule and see that scheduling has assigned me short call at 5:00am, I don't want to start short call at 5:00am so I wait until 11:00pm to "officially" acknowledge the change to my schedule.
Since rest starts after acknowledging the change, the earliest that I could be assigned short call is now 9:00am, correct? Will they just remove the 5:00am short call if there is no acknowledgment prior to the legal rest requirement?
Doesn't this change basically void our requirement to check of schedule prior to starting reserve?
Thanks for any help
beer
12-18-2013, 05:05 AM
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12-18-2013, 05:17 AM
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12-18-2013, 05:29 AM
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12-18-2013, 05:58 AM
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Lol. Sounds like you are ready to fight for your contractual rights. Good luck. ALPA already said they would back you up via grievance. I would do it too if I was on reserve.
12-18-2013, 06:46 AM
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The company would have some real difficulty if reserves waited until 0159 before acknowledging a schedule, effectively making them only able to accept a noon start on the first day. The unpredictability would be a lot to manage.
12-18-2013, 06:54 AM
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From "ALPA's Guide to FAR 117":
Q-74. Can the certificate holder require a flightcrew member to check a computer, email calendar, text or other conversation media to determine assignment, changes, etc. during a rest period?
A-74. No. During a rest period, regardless of length, a flightcrew
member must be free from all restraint. If a flightcrew
member is required to do something by the certificate
holder, he/she is not free from all restraint.
Q-75. Could a flightcrew member on his/her own volition do the tasks in
Question 74 above?
A-75. Yes, but the flightcrew member’s decision to perform any
task for the certificate holder during a rest period must
be entirely voluntary. This could also include voluntarily
performing computer based training, monthly schedule
bidding, required safety reports, etc.
Q-74. Can the certificate holder require a flightcrew member to check a computer, email calendar, text or other conversation media to determine assignment, changes, etc. during a rest period?
A-74. No. During a rest period, regardless of length, a flightcrew
member must be free from all restraint. If a flightcrew
member is required to do something by the certificate
holder, he/she is not free from all restraint.
Q-75. Could a flightcrew member on his/her own volition do the tasks in
Question 74 above?
A-75. Yes, but the flightcrew member’s decision to perform any
task for the certificate holder during a rest period must
be entirely voluntary. This could also include voluntarily
performing computer based training, monthly schedule
bidding, required safety reports, etc.
12-18-2013, 07:13 AM
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I'm thinking that by virtue of following the PWA and the new Reserve rest rules I will be able to take the entire month off. This is my theory, please correct me if I'm wrong... If I wait to acknowledge a trip until 3 hours prior to the report time therefore remaining within the rules of the PWA, I will never be able to legally report for a trip until 7 hours after the report time by virtue of needing my 10 hours of FAR required rest. I assume by that time the company will have no choice but to move on to a short call or short notice white/green slip. This appears to be a huge hole between the PWA obligations and the new rest rule requirements. What am I missing?
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