Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-13-2013, 11:22 AM
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AE out. A whole bunch of back fills on WB F/O they said they wouldn't 
12-13-2013, 11:29 AM
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I expect results by 4pm today.
There might be some higher math going on to comply with min staffing requirements by year end. That, and I am not sure management has been "constructively engaged" which results in imperfect communication and coordination, but that is just a guess.
There might be some higher math going on to comply with min staffing requirements by year end. That, and I am not sure management has been "constructively engaged" which results in imperfect communication and coordination, but that is just a guess.
40 ATLM88B's on the AE and only filled 9!! Guess furlough bypass and new hires will fill those...
12-13-2013, 11:35 AM
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Pathetic
West coast once again is anemic! DAS BOO ******!
AE are nice if you can get one!!
AE are nice if you can get one!!
12-13-2013, 11:40 AM
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Congrats to all the new Capt's! Incredible how junior the A320 went...
Lots of ER copilots vacated with no backfilling...
Lots of ER copilots vacated with no backfilling...
12-13-2013, 11:45 AM
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12-13-2013, 12:01 PM
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I'll do some math later tonight. At first glance looks like quite a few open narrobody positions. Nice to see MSP reinstatements as well.
12-13-2013, 12:06 PM
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4 LAX7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled.
2 SLC7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled
2 SEA7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled.
9 DTW7ERf/o left, not backfilled
3 DTW73Nf/o left, not backfilled
0 DTW320f/o change, same number in and out.
0 MSPm88f/o change, 6 in and 6 out.
8 MSP7ERf/o left, not backfilled.
0 MSP320f/o change, 13 out and 13 in.
All other LAX/SLC/SEA positions just traded 1 for 1, no increase or decrease.
Net loss of 8 west coast FO positions, widebody positions. That's 8 guys that didn't flow up from 73N, eight more that didn't flow there from 320/m88. So, that's 16 flowups that didn't happen out west. Again, lots of movement for for senior 7erf/o, nothing below (at least out west, I haven't had time to look at the totals for other bases).
For 73N, 320, M88, and 717 f/os, that's 23 7ERf/o positions that didn't get backfilled and 3 73n. Assuming those positions would have rippled from ER to 717, that's 92 f/o positions that should have existed and allowed junior fo's to finally move up... but which didn't happen because DESPITE THE CHEERLEADING, we are still shrinking faster than we are retiring or adding positions for new jets.
edit... DOH it gets worse!
19 NYC7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled.
7 NYC73Nf/o positions reduced (9 guys left, 2 backfilled)
2 NYCM88f/o positions reduced (4 guys left, 2 backfilled)
13 NYC320f/o positions reduced (16 guys left, 3 backfilled)
28 ATL7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled
0 change ATL73Nf/o
+15 positions ATL320f/o, (17 gained, 2 guys left)
1 ATLM88f/o position reduced, (9 gained, 10 guys left)
4 ATL717f/o positions reduced
That's 70 jobs, just in ERf/o positions lost, that DIDN'T get replaced, DIDN'T cause anyone below them to move up.
that's 10 73NB positions that disappeared, and didn't cause anyone below them to move up
etc
I WANT to be excited for hiring and capt spots on AEs.... but the proof is in the pudding, and once again there was no improvement
Here's the positive side of things, for those of you sick of hearing everyone hired after 1999 complain of stagnation... at least I didn't move BACKWARDS it appears! Yay, go me!
2 SLC7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled
2 SEA7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled.
9 DTW7ERf/o left, not backfilled
3 DTW73Nf/o left, not backfilled
0 DTW320f/o change, same number in and out.
0 MSPm88f/o change, 6 in and 6 out.
8 MSP7ERf/o left, not backfilled.
0 MSP320f/o change, 13 out and 13 in.
All other LAX/SLC/SEA positions just traded 1 for 1, no increase or decrease.
Net loss of 8 west coast FO positions, widebody positions. That's 8 guys that didn't flow up from 73N, eight more that didn't flow there from 320/m88. So, that's 16 flowups that didn't happen out west. Again, lots of movement for for senior 7erf/o, nothing below (at least out west, I haven't had time to look at the totals for other bases).
For 73N, 320, M88, and 717 f/os, that's 23 7ERf/o positions that didn't get backfilled and 3 73n. Assuming those positions would have rippled from ER to 717, that's 92 f/o positions that should have existed and allowed junior fo's to finally move up... but which didn't happen because DESPITE THE CHEERLEADING, we are still shrinking faster than we are retiring or adding positions for new jets.
edit... DOH it gets worse!
19 NYC7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled.
7 NYC73Nf/o positions reduced (9 guys left, 2 backfilled)
2 NYCM88f/o positions reduced (4 guys left, 2 backfilled)
13 NYC320f/o positions reduced (16 guys left, 3 backfilled)
28 ATL7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled
0 change ATL73Nf/o
+15 positions ATL320f/o, (17 gained, 2 guys left)
1 ATLM88f/o position reduced, (9 gained, 10 guys left)
4 ATL717f/o positions reduced
That's 70 jobs, just in ERf/o positions lost, that DIDN'T get replaced, DIDN'T cause anyone below them to move up.
that's 10 73NB positions that disappeared, and didn't cause anyone below them to move up
etc
I WANT to be excited for hiring and capt spots on AEs.... but the proof is in the pudding, and once again there was no improvement
Here's the positive side of things, for those of you sick of hearing everyone hired after 1999 complain of stagnation... at least I didn't move BACKWARDS it appears! Yay, go me!
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12-13-2013, 12:08 PM
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If you are going for lowest possible price confirmed seats go straight for fly confirmed for even less.
Use delta.com or kayak.com to find the lowest possible ticket price. Then plug those flights into the fly confirmed for even less template and you will get the discount on the lowest priced tickets you could find.
Typically the lowest price tickets are non-refundable anyways so nothing is lost by using the non-refundable fly confirmed for even less option.
Stay away from the "refundable" fly confirmed for less.
While it sounds like those ticket are refundable, that's only true if the pre-discount fare basis was refundable. If the pre-discount fare is non-refundable, then the fly confirmed for less "refundable" ticket is also non-refundable...
Most likely you aren't looking at full fare refundable tickets anyways if you're asking about the discount program ;-)
It's a great program to knock some money off a confirmed ticket when you can't afford to play roulette with non-reving...
Cheers
George
Use delta.com or kayak.com to find the lowest possible ticket price. Then plug those flights into the fly confirmed for even less template and you will get the discount on the lowest priced tickets you could find.
Typically the lowest price tickets are non-refundable anyways so nothing is lost by using the non-refundable fly confirmed for even less option.
Stay away from the "refundable" fly confirmed for less.
While it sounds like those ticket are refundable, that's only true if the pre-discount fare basis was refundable. If the pre-discount fare is non-refundable, then the fly confirmed for less "refundable" ticket is also non-refundable...
Most likely you aren't looking at full fare refundable tickets anyways if you're asking about the discount program ;-)
It's a great program to knock some money off a confirmed ticket when you can't afford to play roulette with non-reving...
Cheers
George
Thanks George.
I checked and it was almost double the price.
TEN
12-13-2013, 12:17 PM
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Four LAX7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled.
Two SLC7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled
Two SEA7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled.
Nine DTW7ERf/o left, not backfilled
3 DTW73Nf/o left, not backfilled
All other LAX/SLC/SEA positions just traded 1 for 1, no increase or decrease.
Net loss of 8 west coast FO positions, widebody positions. That's 8 guys that didn't flow up from 73N, eight more that didn't flow there from 320/m88. So, that's 16 flowups that didn't happen out west. Again, lots of movement for for senior 7erf/o, nothing below (at least out west, I haven't had time to look at the totals for other bases).
I WANT to be excited for hiring and capt spots on AEs.... but the proof is in the pudding, and once again there was no improvement
Two SLC7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled
Two SEA7ERf/o left positions, not backfilled.
Nine DTW7ERf/o left, not backfilled
3 DTW73Nf/o left, not backfilled
All other LAX/SLC/SEA positions just traded 1 for 1, no increase or decrease.
Net loss of 8 west coast FO positions, widebody positions. That's 8 guys that didn't flow up from 73N, eight more that didn't flow there from 320/m88. So, that's 16 flowups that didn't happen out west. Again, lots of movement for for senior 7erf/o, nothing below (at least out west, I haven't had time to look at the totals for other bases).
I WANT to be excited for hiring and capt spots on AEs.... but the proof is in the pudding, and once again there was no improvement
You are correct. At the current rate, up grade for a 2001 hire on west coast is 2022-2023 to be the plug on the SLC73N or 320. Based on attrition through retirements, no growth and nobody moving out which clearly they are not.
12-13-2013, 12:27 PM
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It's slow for sure, but seeing as how we are adding 737's and A320's over the next few years, along with 330's and 717's, I'd think that number will come down significantly. There has always been a price at DL to be based out west, anybody thinking otherwise is kidding themselves.
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