Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-12-2013, 06:58 AM
The Brown Dot +1
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Profit and revenue are different animals. We also have the wrong model for the 777. The CEO of British Airways was asked what his biggest single mistake was since taking over. He stated it was not buying every 777-300 he could get his hands on. Profit also varies depending on which route you put a aircraft on. The 777 is locked into very different routes today then it flew in 2001.
Now, the 777 flies AMS, intra asia, lax, etc. The efficiency is in long haul, not short haul. There are still plenty of ULH legs, but the short stuff dilutes the numbers.
12-12-2013, 07:00 AM
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12-12-2013, 07:03 AM
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Profit and revenue are different animals. We also have the wrong model for the 777. The CEO of British Airways was asked what his biggest single mistake was since taking over. He stated it was not buying every 777-300 he could get his hands on. Profit also varies depending on which route you put a aircraft on. The 777 is locked into very different routes today then it flew in 2001.
12-12-2013, 07:04 AM
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Sailingfun wrote " The average Delta pilot flew 52 block hours a month in 2012 at SW it was 64.5".
Something does not add up. This is not bashing the pay of our MEC guys, but their pay is based on the average line pilot flying 87 hours. This number comes from the company. Where does the 52 hours come from? With our reserves down to 15% in most categories i find it hard to believe their inclusion would lower the block hours to 52.
Something does not add up. This is not bashing the pay of our MEC guys, but their pay is based on the average line pilot flying 87 hours. This number comes from the company. Where does the 52 hours come from? With our reserves down to 15% in most categories i find it hard to believe their inclusion would lower the block hours to 52.
Maybe they are subtracting the break times for international pilots.
12-12-2013, 07:08 AM
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Sailing,
If you're going to project our increased compensation, to be fair I think it would also be reasonable to include a projection for our increased productivity... ALV+15 comes to mind.
I'm also curious how you calculated the value of pension benefits.
Just curious. Thank you for the informative post.
If you're going to project our increased compensation, to be fair I think it would also be reasonable to include a projection for our increased productivity... ALV+15 comes to mind.
I'm also curious how you calculated the value of pension benefits.
Just curious. Thank you for the informative post.
And yet even then, at the end of our current book, they will still make $1 more than us on like equipment*?
*Considering that what…95% of their fleet is -700's while less than 10% (and falling every day) comprises ours.
12-12-2013, 07:12 AM
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I didn't hear him say that it was due to high payments. He DID say we are going to reconfigure them to get a little better revenue out of them, but he did not tie that to payments for the jets.
12-12-2013, 07:16 AM
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12-12-2013, 07:20 AM
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Its being mandated by the airport authority. Its 5 to 6 minutes on the train to Federal station. You save time by the shorter drive distance in the van. In traffic it might in fact be faster. If however you come into terminal 2 where there is no train stop it becomes a real issue. Terminal 4 its not even a real inconvenience.
Personally, I hope the architecture firm that did T4 has been fired, never to be seen again on the premises. I could have had the 5th year architecture students at UT do a project on this and come out with a much better result. I find it amazing that to get outside the airport one has to walk almost completely to the other finger, and the signage there is abhorrent.
12-12-2013, 07:33 AM
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Sailingfun's data is only block hours.
It doesn't count credit time, vacation time, sick leave, training, or green slip pay, all of which are built into the 87 number.
If the typical guy has 5 hrs of credit a month, 120 hours of sick leave annually, 100 hours of vacation time annually, 10 hours of CQ annually and 80 hours of initial training every few years, that adds up to 25+ hours/month on average. Throw in a couple of green slips per year, and you're there.
It doesn't count credit time, vacation time, sick leave, training, or green slip pay, all of which are built into the 87 number.
If the typical guy has 5 hrs of credit a month, 120 hours of sick leave annually, 100 hours of vacation time annually, 10 hours of CQ annually and 80 hours of initial training every few years, that adds up to 25+ hours/month on average. Throw in a couple of green slips per year, and you're there.
12-12-2013, 07:44 AM
seeing the large hubs...
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A good friend of mine called in fatigued for a red-eye going home on the last day of the trip. They were doing construction outside the SFO hotel the whole day before the red-eye and he simply couldn't get any rest that day before the flight. They simply deadheaded in a pilot from SLC, the flight left an hour or two late and he deadheaded home the next day. He was asked to write an ASAP or FCR, can't remember which and didn't hear anything from it.
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