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Block hours are the measure of productivitiy. Credit hours plus block hours are the measure of compensation. Keep in mind that not all categories have reserves flying. Some categories reserves are lucky to keep landing currency. Most pilots pick up about 100 plus hours of credit a year in vacation and training alone. Then you have legs you under block, legs canceled and paid. Trips canceled and paid. Trips rerouted and paid, non flying reserves, deadhead legs and use of sick leave and pilots in training. Its very easy to get from 87 to 52 when you add all that up. Under the older better quality of life contracts the number was in the Thirties!
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[QUOTE=daldude;1537939]Just read the new procedure to get from the plane to the hotel van pick point in JFK. To include taking either the Howard Beach or Jamaica Station Train to Federal Circle, just to get to the hotel van pick up point. Has anyone done this yet? How long did it take to get to hotel from plane?
It appears to me this process could take 50 to 70 min just to get from the plane to sitting on the van. If this is the case it is unacceptable and not in compliance with the spirit of PWA section 5.E.5 addressing the 20 min wait before obtaining transportation.
Why are we giving up terminal to hotel transportation? This is just the continuing trend of QOL issues being given away. Or am I making to big of a deal out of this?
Its being mandated by the airport authority. Its 5 to 6 minutes on the train to Federal station. You save time by the shorter drive distance in the van. In traffic it might in fact be faster. If however you come into terminal 2 where there is no train stop it becomes a real issue. Terminal 4 its not even a real inconvenience.
It appears to me this process could take 50 to 70 min just to get from the plane to sitting on the van. If this is the case it is unacceptable and not in compliance with the spirit of PWA section 5.E.5 addressing the 20 min wait before obtaining transportation.
Why are we giving up terminal to hotel transportation? This is just the continuing trend of QOL issues being given away. Or am I making to big of a deal out of this?
Its being mandated by the airport authority. Its 5 to 6 minutes on the train to Federal station. You save time by the shorter drive distance in the van. In traffic it might in fact be faster. If however you come into terminal 2 where there is no train stop it becomes a real issue. Terminal 4 its not even a real inconvenience.
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Sailingfun wrote " The average Delta pilot flew 52 block hours a month in 2012 at SW it was 64.5".
Something does not add up. This is not bashing the pay of our MEC guys, but their pay is based on the average line pilot flying 87 hours. This number comes from the company. Where does the 52 hours come from? With our reserves down to 15% in most categories i find it hard to believe their inclusion would lower the block hours to 52.
Something does not add up. This is not bashing the pay of our MEC guys, but their pay is based on the average line pilot flying 87 hours. This number comes from the company. Where does the 52 hours come from? With our reserves down to 15% in most categories i find it hard to believe their inclusion would lower the block hours to 52.
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How about another number - average revenue produced per pilot. Last time I checked we were close but the average DAL pilot produced more $ than the average SW pilot. So, we got that going for us.
DAL 37.3B/11,723 = 3.18 Million per Pilot
LUV 17.44B/6327 = 2.75 Million per Pilot
Source: Yahoo Finance for revenue, APC for total Pilots.
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DAL 37.3B/11,723 = 3.18 Million per Pilot
LUV 17.44B/6327 = 2.75 Million per Pilot
Source: Yahoo Finance for revenue, APC for total Pilots.
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To have a more meaningful comparison to SW you need to compare revenue on like equipment. I am not sure that number is easy to find.
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She made that statement to the MEC. The powerpoint had something almost the same. The NMB has in practice applied that exact definition in dealing with airlines. She mentioned in her chat with the MEC icing American as a example. The power point and her discussion also made it clear that if she had to get involved we were looking at 3 years minimum because of their backlog.
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Although Leo Mullin was an idiot who's negligence nearly killed Delta, I will agree with his general point that big airplanes should pay much more than they do ... unfortunately ... the converse is also true ... there should not be as many 50 seat Captains making $120,000 to $150,000 a year.
It has long been my point that if you distribute pay along a productivity curve it would make sense to redistribute pay upwards from the RJ's; if the RJ's were captured at mainline. But, as separate entities with nontransferable longevity they negotiate the most they can get.
Consider that more than a handful of Delta pilots took a $100,000 a year pay cut to start over here. IMHO capturing that flying even at reduced rates is preferable to the loss of a pilot's longevity mid career.
It has long been my point that if you distribute pay along a productivity curve it would make sense to redistribute pay upwards from the RJ's; if the RJ's were captured at mainline. But, as separate entities with nontransferable longevity they negotiate the most they can get.
Consider that more than a handful of Delta pilots took a $100,000 a year pay cut to start over here. IMHO capturing that flying even at reduced rates is preferable to the loss of a pilot's longevity mid career.
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Another factor is training costs. They run about 10 percent of pilot costs at Delta. SW also has training costs but far less. Assuming SW is about 2 percent of their pilot costs then 8 percent of our cost disadvantage over SW is driven by management fleet choices.
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Its being mandated by the airport authority. Its 5 to 6 minutes on the train to Federal station. You save time by the shorter drive distance in the van. In traffic it might in fact be faster. If however you come into terminal 2 where there is no train stop it becomes a real issue. Terminal 4 its not even a real inconvenience.
The Hotels were pushing for this change for years. As a junior reserve guy getting DH to NY a lot; the transportation never showed up. I used to take the train to Federal Station because that was the only way to get reliably picked up without a 30 to 45 minute wait for "he'll be right there." Talking to the drivers, they basically wanted to refuse driving to the airport because of the traffic/inconvenience/time away from the coffee and paper at the hotel.
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What do we do from Terminal #2? Hoof it? Or, bus to #4?
The Hotels were pushing for this change for years. As a junior reserve guy the transportation never showed up. I used to take the train to Federal Station because that was the only way to get reliably picked up without a 30 to 45 minute wait for "he'll be right there." Talking to the drivers, they basically wanted to refuse driving to the airport because of the traffic/inconvenience/time away from the coffee and paper at the hotel.
The Hotels were pushing for this change for years. As a junior reserve guy the transportation never showed up. I used to take the train to Federal Station because that was the only way to get reliably picked up without a 30 to 45 minute wait for "he'll be right there." Talking to the drivers, they basically wanted to refuse driving to the airport because of the traffic/inconvenience/time away from the coffee and paper at the hotel.
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