sailingfun

Plan on profit sharing being about 7.5 percent of your 2013 gross pay. Gross pay is not W2 pay. You need to look near the bottom right of the paystub to find gross which can be 30k or more then W2. You do have to back last years profit sharing out of the gross. That figure times 7.5 should be pretty close this year.

Scoop

T,

I like the way that you are thinking, but there must be a better solution. GS and IAs at straight pay is not really a disincentive for the company to not furlough.

If the last disincentive worked - lets keep it. Pull seats out of RJs etc. With regard to the IAs - how about with guys on furlough IAs switch from inverse to straight seniority with no Green-slips?

Additionally by saying they need to furlough, the company is saying they are overmanned. Fine - if they truly are overmanned then they should not be able to use a GS unless there is some pre-defined mutually agreed to event. Like a WX event, ATC computer failure etc. No more GS on a sunny VFR Tuesday just because the company is out of Pilots.

Besides - with the new FAR 117 I think short notice IAs are an endangered species.

Scoop

Scoop

I think there is a smart and a stupid way to efficiently schedule Pilots for 8+ hour blocks.

Safe - way: Only schedule 8+ hour blocks between Hubs with Pilots available for SC. Due to the geograprhy of DAL hubs there are only a few combinations that work as turns. But there are probably a lot that work on three leg days with the third leg leaving from a hub.

Next safest way - have the potentially "in jeporady" flight leave from a place close to a hub with scheduled service and Pilots available.

Any other way that depends on staying on schedule is pretty risky.

Finally, with a few exceptions, ATL Caribbean club club comes to mind, 8+ hour blocks do not affect Pilot manning because we are still limited by ALV and block hours, not daily block. I actually prefer higher block days as long as duty day is limited as in FAR 117.

Scoop

Sink r8

I agree with T, and I wonder if the simple solution is not to limit the total amount of extra flying, including GS and IA, during furloughs. No point in giving the company a financial incentive with IA's at normal rate.

"During such time when Delta pilots are involuntarily furloughed, no pilot may pick-up, trade, swap, or be assigned flying that would cause him to exceed the upper end of the LCW."

How does that sound?

I don't think it's realistic to expect people to do job-sharing, or reduce below the LCW on a regular basis, but if everyone could fill up to as much as the upper end of the LCW, I don't see how they could morally justify flying MORE. You're not really causing a furlough if something goes wrong, and you fly your month, but you sure as hell are eating into someone's job, when you work extra while they're on the street.

80ktsClamp

I like this line of thinking. And in the good times now is when it needs to be codified, not when we need it later on.

TenYearsGone

You are correct. Im looking at some of these above 8:00 turns and I want to cringe. In the middle of a 3 or 4 day, followed by a 13hr layo. How is this any safer than before? After looking at some of these new pairings, I am assuming and almost positive that I am going to be extremely tired.

TEN

80ktsClamp

Some of them are just awful. I especially love the 30 hour layovers where you're set up on a night schedule, all day off the next day, then a crazy early sign in for an 8:40 day on the last day. The fatigue level on that last day is going to be so high.

TenYearsGone

+1. I guess any real positive changes will bankrupt and demise the US Airlines, especially with the looming pilot shortage 117--> lipstick on a pig.

TEN

TeddyKGB

I heard from a good source that profit sharing will be in the 8%-9% of W-2 range compared to last years 6.5%. Anyone else heard any estimates?

cni187

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