Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-10-2013, 07:09 AM
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Yup! cni's point was spot on though. I got on the employee bus the other day and counted 19 people. 17 of them were playing angry birds or surfing porn, or something. Kind of scary actually. I recently heard a story about a guy that got on the (subway I believe in NY), pulled out a gun and nobody noticed until he shot somebody.
We get to see a large sampling of the public around the country with this job. It is astounding how many people have no awareness, let alone social graces/interaction, due to a "smartphone." Zombie is the perfect description.
12-10-2013, 07:15 AM
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DALPA has responded to Dickson's letter ---
The MEC Contract Administration Committee put this out yesterday afternoon:
Q. Do you feel the new long call acknowledgement policy outlined in the Flight Operations All Pilots Letter dated December 6, 2013 complies with our contract?
A. The Company and the Association disagree about FAR 117’s interaction with the mutually negotiated provisions of the PWA.
• The Company believes the PWA language says that a pilot must make himself available for a trip that is placed on his line 12 hours prior to report and that the new FAR 117 prospective rest requirement changes the timeline under which a pilot is expected to acknowledge an assignment.
• The Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What guidance would you give the pilot group concerning the requirement for a long call pilot to acknowledge a trip or short call within 2 hours of assignment? Since it appears to be in direct violation of our contract as it exist today.
A. As stated above, the Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What ramifications could a pilot expect for following the contract vs the Flight Operations All Pilots letter?
A. If a pilot’s schedule or pay were to be negatively impacted as the result of complying with our contract, the pilot should prepare to file a grievance. The Delta MEC’s Contract Administration Committee will help you work through the process but the basic steps are:
1. Contact your LEC representatives, go to your chief pilot and request any necessary corrections.
2. If the request is denied, contact Contract Administration and they will help you write a grievance.
The MEC Contract Administration Committee put this out yesterday afternoon:
Q. Do you feel the new long call acknowledgement policy outlined in the Flight Operations All Pilots Letter dated December 6, 2013 complies with our contract?
A. The Company and the Association disagree about FAR 117’s interaction with the mutually negotiated provisions of the PWA.
• The Company believes the PWA language says that a pilot must make himself available for a trip that is placed on his line 12 hours prior to report and that the new FAR 117 prospective rest requirement changes the timeline under which a pilot is expected to acknowledge an assignment.
• The Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What guidance would you give the pilot group concerning the requirement for a long call pilot to acknowledge a trip or short call within 2 hours of assignment? Since it appears to be in direct violation of our contract as it exist today.
A. As stated above, the Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What ramifications could a pilot expect for following the contract vs the Flight Operations All Pilots letter?
A. If a pilot’s schedule or pay were to be negatively impacted as the result of complying with our contract, the pilot should prepare to file a grievance. The Delta MEC’s Contract Administration Committee will help you work through the process but the basic steps are:
1. Contact your LEC representatives, go to your chief pilot and request any necessary corrections.
2. If the request is denied, contact Contract Administration and they will help you write a grievance.
I hope ALPA puts out the above in an "official" email though. Either, way - let the games begin
12-10-2013, 07:26 AM
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12-10-2013, 07:28 AM
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12-10-2013, 07:29 AM
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DALPA has responded to Dickson's letter ---
The MEC Contract Administration Committee put this out yesterday afternoon:
Q. Do you feel the new long call acknowledgement policy outlined in the Flight Operations All Pilots Letter dated December 6, 2013 complies with our contract?
A. The Company and the Association disagree about FAR 117’s interaction with the mutually negotiated provisions of the PWA.
• The Company believes the PWA language says that a pilot must make himself available for a trip that is placed on his line 12 hours prior to report and that the new FAR 117 prospective rest requirement changes the timeline under which a pilot is expected to acknowledge an assignment.
• The Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What guidance would you give the pilot group concerning the requirement for a long call pilot to acknowledge a trip or short call within 2 hours of assignment? Since it appears to be in direct violation of our contract as it exist today.
A. As stated above, the Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What ramifications could a pilot expect for following the contract vs the Flight Operations All Pilots letter?
A. If a pilot’s schedule or pay were to be negatively impacted as the result of complying with our contract, the pilot should prepare to file a grievance. The Delta MEC’s Contract Administration Committee will help you work through the process but the basic steps are:
1. Contact your LEC representatives, go to your chief pilot and request any necessary corrections.
2. If the request is denied, contact Contract Administration and they will help you write a grievance.
The MEC Contract Administration Committee put this out yesterday afternoon:
Q. Do you feel the new long call acknowledgement policy outlined in the Flight Operations All Pilots Letter dated December 6, 2013 complies with our contract?
A. The Company and the Association disagree about FAR 117’s interaction with the mutually negotiated provisions of the PWA.
• The Company believes the PWA language says that a pilot must make himself available for a trip that is placed on his line 12 hours prior to report and that the new FAR 117 prospective rest requirement changes the timeline under which a pilot is expected to acknowledge an assignment.
• The Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What guidance would you give the pilot group concerning the requirement for a long call pilot to acknowledge a trip or short call within 2 hours of assignment? Since it appears to be in direct violation of our contract as it exist today.
A. As stated above, the Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What ramifications could a pilot expect for following the contract vs the Flight Operations All Pilots letter?
A. If a pilot’s schedule or pay were to be negatively impacted as the result of complying with our contract, the pilot should prepare to file a grievance. The Delta MEC’s Contract Administration Committee will help you work through the process but the basic steps are:
1. Contact your LEC representatives, go to your chief pilot and request any necessary corrections.
2. If the request is denied, contact Contract Administration and they will help you write a grievance.
Me thinks SD is "negotiating in public" with the Reserve obligations letter. I'm not sure that's a good idea...
Cheers
George
12-10-2013, 07:32 AM
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Bohica,
Be quiet, FNG!
It's going to suck a lot more if we do this fast, as opposed to doing it right. If we need to complaint, and vent, let's do it from the comfort of our CPO's office, where we calmly but firmly tell them they're [deleted] us, we know they're [deleted] us to drive us to a quick result, but all they're buying themselves is an unhappy pilot group. When they push, they should get pushback, not panic.
So, I'm afraid you might have to suck it up a bit, FNG. You're not alone.
Be quiet, FNG!
It's going to suck a lot more if we do this fast, as opposed to doing it right. If we need to complaint, and vent, let's do it from the comfort of our CPO's office, where we calmly but firmly tell them they're [deleted] us, we know they're [deleted] us to drive us to a quick result, but all they're buying themselves is an unhappy pilot group. When they push, they should get pushback, not panic.
So, I'm afraid you might have to suck it up a bit, FNG. You're not alone.
12-10-2013, 07:41 AM
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Bohica,
Be quiet, FNG!
It's going to suck a lot more if we do this fast, as opposed to doing it right. If we need to complaint, and vent, let's do it from the comfort of our CPO's office, where we calmly but firmly tell them they're [deleted] us, we know they're [deleted] us to drive us to a quick result, but all they're buying themselves is an unhappy pilot group. When they push, they should get pushback, not panic.
So, I'm afraid you might have to suck it up a bit, FNG. You're not alone.
Be quiet, FNG!
It's going to suck a lot more if we do this fast, as opposed to doing it right. If we need to complaint, and vent, let's do it from the comfort of our CPO's office, where we calmly but firmly tell them they're [deleted] us, we know they're [deleted] us to drive us to a quick result, but all they're buying themselves is an unhappy pilot group. When they push, they should get pushback, not panic.
So, I'm afraid you might have to suck it up a bit, FNG. You're not alone.
The contract letter is spot on. I was head of Compass contract a couple of years ago and have seen a change in the interpretation of the Contract affect everyeone including FNG guy who is just happy to be there goes along with said change without any question. I just would not want any company using the excuse the new guys are ok with it and complying why aren't the rest.
I will go back in my FNG hole and come out when I'm a just a FG
12-10-2013, 07:45 AM
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12-10-2013, 07:49 AM
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Here's my advice. (worth exactly what you paid for it) --
If management refuses to negotiate this dispute then there are likely to be some hostages taken.
Don't be one of them.
I would not press to test while on probation. You do not have full contractual protection. You are the one group that should probably comply with whatever Flt Ops tells you to do.
12-10-2013, 07:51 AM
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I agree I will suck it up.
The contract letter is spot on. I was head of Compass contract a couple of years ago and have seen a change in the interpretation of the Contract affect everyeone including FNG guy who is just happy to be there goes along with said change without any question. I just would not want any company using the excuse the new guys are ok with it and complying why aren't the rest.
I will go back in my FNG hole and come out when I'm a just a FG
The contract letter is spot on. I was head of Compass contract a couple of years ago and have seen a change in the interpretation of the Contract affect everyeone including FNG guy who is just happy to be there goes along with said change without any question. I just would not want any company using the excuse the new guys are ok with it and complying why aren't the rest.
I will go back in my FNG hole and come out when I'm a just a FG
Sounds like you are coming over in January? With indoc, training, and toe, I would suspect you won't hit the line until some time in March or April. My guess is this issue will be resolved by then or, at the least, there will be some firm guidance on it.
Denny
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