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12-10-2013, 05:31 AM
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Two-man ocean crossings aren't allowed in the PWA. Only domestic can go to 9 hours.
Three-man crew limited to 12 in the PWA, versus 13 in FAR 117. So sorry.
If they want to play rough, we can always walk away from the table and wait until the first major snowstorm in 2014. They lose the ability to make inverse assignments...
Maybe they need a lesson in corporate psychology...
Three-man crew limited to 12 in the PWA, versus 13 in FAR 117. So sorry.
If they want to play rough, we can always walk away from the table and wait until the first major snowstorm in 2014. They lose the ability to make inverse assignments...
Maybe they need a lesson in corporate psychology...
There is going to some pain and discomfort. We can run to the union, and ask for a band-aid and some pain medicine, or we can hold firm on our principles, and exert leverage by withholding our consent.
I'd rather see us get the new FAR's to interface correctly with our PWA correctly, than see us apply pressure for immediate but temporary relief from an injury deliberately inflicted.
Right now, the company is not showing signs of engaging constructively.
12-10-2013, 05:45 AM
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12-10-2013, 05:48 AM
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Yup! cni's point was spot on though. I got on the employee bus the other day and counted 19 people. 17 of them were playing angry birds or surfing porn, or something. Kind of scary actually. I recently heard a story about a guy that got on the (subway I believe in NY), pulled out a gun and nobody noticed until he shot somebody.
12-10-2013, 05:51 AM
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As of Jan 1, barring an agreement, it looks like 'fights on'. I'd make sure to have a copy of the contract, WSC, and the 117 Q&A's handy. There will be retaliation... brace yourselves.
12-10-2013, 06:16 AM
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Two-man ocean crossings aren't allowed in the PWA. Only domestic can go to 9 hours.
Three-man crew limited to 12 in the PWA, versus 13 in FAR 117. So sorry.
If they want to play rough, we can always walk away from the table and wait until the first major snowstorm in 2014. They lose the ability to make inverse assignments...
Maybe they need a lesson in corporate psychology...
Three-man crew limited to 12 in the PWA, versus 13 in FAR 117. So sorry.
If they want to play rough, we can always walk away from the table and wait until the first major snowstorm in 2014. They lose the ability to make inverse assignments...
Maybe they need a lesson in corporate psychology...
12-10-2013, 06:26 AM
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BOS-AMS part of the year!
12-10-2013, 06:26 AM
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And you are correct. But scheduled block time for ocean crossings is limited to 8 hours per the PWA unless the crew is augmented. Going back west is the limiting factor, as is the hard 9 hour block limit. Any hiccups in the operation and you've got a CX'd crew out of position in Europe with no reserve crew to cover. It's unlikely that the company will risk that sort of disruption.
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12-10-2013, 06:34 AM
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DALPA has responded to Dickson's letter ---
The MEC Contract Administration Committee put this out yesterday afternoon:
Q. Do you feel the new long call acknowledgement policy outlined in the Flight Operations All Pilots Letter dated December 6, 2013 complies with our contract?
A. The Company and the Association disagree about FAR 117’s interaction with the mutually negotiated provisions of the PWA.
• The Company believes the PWA language says that a pilot must make himself available for a trip that is placed on his line 12 hours prior to report and that the new FAR 117 prospective rest requirement changes the timeline under which a pilot is expected to acknowledge an assignment.
• The Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What guidance would you give the pilot group concerning the requirement for a long call pilot to acknowledge a trip or short call within 2 hours of assignment? Since it appears to be in direct violation of our contract as it exist today.
A. As stated above, the Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What ramifications could a pilot expect for following the contract vs the Flight Operations All Pilots letter?
A. If a pilot’s schedule or pay were to be negatively impacted as the result of complying with our contract, the pilot should prepare to file a grievance. The Delta MEC’s Contract Administration Committee will help you work through the process but the basic steps are:
1. Contact your LEC representatives, go to your chief pilot and request any necessary corrections.
2. If the request is denied, contact Contract Administration and they will help you write a grievance.
The MEC Contract Administration Committee put this out yesterday afternoon:
Q. Do you feel the new long call acknowledgement policy outlined in the Flight Operations All Pilots Letter dated December 6, 2013 complies with our contract?
A. The Company and the Association disagree about FAR 117’s interaction with the mutually negotiated provisions of the PWA.
• The Company believes the PWA language says that a pilot must make himself available for a trip that is placed on his line 12 hours prior to report and that the new FAR 117 prospective rest requirement changes the timeline under which a pilot is expected to acknowledge an assignment.
• The Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What guidance would you give the pilot group concerning the requirement for a long call pilot to acknowledge a trip or short call within 2 hours of assignment? Since it appears to be in direct violation of our contract as it exist today.
A. As stated above, the Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What ramifications could a pilot expect for following the contract vs the Flight Operations All Pilots letter?
A. If a pilot’s schedule or pay were to be negatively impacted as the result of complying with our contract, the pilot should prepare to file a grievance. The Delta MEC’s Contract Administration Committee will help you work through the process but the basic steps are:
1. Contact your LEC representatives, go to your chief pilot and request any necessary corrections.
2. If the request is denied, contact Contract Administration and they will help you write a grievance.
Trying to find the letter from the Contract Administration Committee but I'm not having any luck. Can anyone point me in the right direction........
12-10-2013, 07:00 AM
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So how many of you reading this web board are on a smart phone?? I'd bet that 99.9999999% of the pilots at Delta have a smartphone. Everywhere you look people look like zombies staring at their phones. How long does it take someone to pull up delta net and then log into Icrew? 2 minutes? Ok maybe 5 minutes sitting in certain gates at ATL. In this day and age of technology, how many of you leave your phones at home when you go out to do anything??? I'd venture a very tiny portion of you. So why are we having this massive whine festival about checking your schedule and acknowledging an assignment??? You know almost everyone has their smartphone glued to their palm doing something online every waking minute of the day. ***???
Add me to tsquare's .00000001 list as someone who does not have a "smartphone.". Or that even has a phone on person at all times.
12-10-2013, 07:02 AM
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DALPA has responded to Dickson's letter ---
The MEC Contract Administration Committee put this out yesterday afternoon:
Q. Do you feel the new long call acknowledgement policy outlined in the Flight Operations All Pilots Letter dated December 6, 2013 complies with our contract?
A. The Company and the Association disagree about FAR 117’s interaction with the mutually negotiated provisions of the PWA.
• The Company believes the PWA language says that a pilot must make himself available for a trip that is placed on his line 12 hours prior to report and that the new FAR 117 prospective rest requirement changes the timeline under which a pilot is expected to acknowledge an assignment.
• The Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What guidance would you give the pilot group concerning the requirement for a long call pilot to acknowledge a trip or short call within 2 hours of assignment? Since it appears to be in direct violation of our contract as it exist today.
A. As stated above, the Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What ramifications could a pilot expect for following the contract vs the Flight Operations All Pilots letter?
A. If a pilot’s schedule or pay were to be negatively impacted as the result of complying with our contract, the pilot should prepare to file a grievance. The Delta MEC’s Contract Administration Committee will help you work through the process but the basic steps are:
1. Contact your LEC representatives, go to your chief pilot and request any necessary corrections.
2. If the request is denied, contact Contract Administration and they will help you write a grievance.
The MEC Contract Administration Committee put this out yesterday afternoon:
Q. Do you feel the new long call acknowledgement policy outlined in the Flight Operations All Pilots Letter dated December 6, 2013 complies with our contract?
A. The Company and the Association disagree about FAR 117’s interaction with the mutually negotiated provisions of the PWA.
• The Company believes the PWA language says that a pilot must make himself available for a trip that is placed on his line 12 hours prior to report and that the new FAR 117 prospective rest requirement changes the timeline under which a pilot is expected to acknowledge an assignment.
• The Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What guidance would you give the pilot group concerning the requirement for a long call pilot to acknowledge a trip or short call within 2 hours of assignment? Since it appears to be in direct violation of our contract as it exist today.
A. As stated above, the Association believes the PWA language with regards to acknowledgement remains unchanged and that the required prospective rest period cannot begin until after a pilot has acknowledged an assigned trip or short call conversion.
Q. What ramifications could a pilot expect for following the contract vs the Flight Operations All Pilots letter?
A. If a pilot’s schedule or pay were to be negatively impacted as the result of complying with our contract, the pilot should prepare to file a grievance. The Delta MEC’s Contract Administration Committee will help you work through the process but the basic steps are:
1. Contact your LEC representatives, go to your chief pilot and request any necessary corrections.
2. If the request is denied, contact Contract Administration and they will help you write a grievance.
This was very nice to read this morning.
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