Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-02-2013, 02:07 PM
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Gunship Guy, I was in uniform, signed in for my trip, when I went to the CPO to ask W. T. F was with that phone call and required note?
He told me about the need for a Doctor's Note due to the 15 day calendar thing. Well, of course I was well by then, so I asked what was I to do? He made a phone call and said, "Consider yourself educated."
No Doctor's note, but no harm, no foul, just know for the next time.
I was going to offer to go see their doctor and sick out of the trip I had just signed in for...
He told me about the need for a Doctor's Note due to the 15 day calendar thing. Well, of course I was well by then, so I asked what was I to do? He made a phone call and said, "Consider yourself educated."
No Doctor's note, but no harm, no foul, just know for the next time.
I was going to offer to go see their doctor and sick out of the trip I had just signed in for...
You get a note from your doctor and for general nature of the sickness it states something like 'patient reports having had xxxx symptoms, consistent with yyyy(sickness) on zzzz(dates).'
Since the pilot would have to go to the doctor to get the note required, he/she should pay for the cost of getting the note without processing through insurance, get a detailed receipt and submit the expense in iCrew for reimbursement under Section 14 F.5.
Since the pilot would have to go to the doctor to get the note required, he/she should pay for the cost of getting the note without processing through insurance, get a detailed receipt and submit the expense in iCrew for reimbursement under Section 14 F.5.
12-02-2013, 02:16 PM
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I think most of us would say that no pilot is out of touch enough to actually do that, but unfortunately that is not the case. It is my understanding that less than 0.5% of the pilot group has gotten a good faith basis call.
12-02-2013, 02:18 PM
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12-02-2013, 02:29 PM
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Coverage awards are what we previously referred to as unstacking. If a pilot is junior in category over Christmas for example, they could be designated for a coverage award and be awarded a pairing or on call days over Christmas (while trying to honor preferences in the bid group) right out of the gate before their bid group is processed. A good description begins on page 58 of PBS Gouge 13-4.
12-02-2013, 03:23 PM
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Here's more info on what is driving the CPO to call you sick puppies...
Seems some numbers wonk told RA that the Delta Pilot Group uses, on average, DOUBLE the "Industry Average" of sick days/hours/what have you. RA put out the word to the CP's to crack down on Sick Leave Abuse!!
The CP's found that "Double the Industry Average" thing a little hard to believe, so they did some research (what a concept!).
Turns out the other carriers used in the Industry Average all PAY their pilots their unused sick hours/days at the end of the year, or they can bank it and roll it over to the next year, and save it for a really rainy day, or an early retirement, like NWA used to be able to.
The CP told me, "Well of course if you give the pilot's an INCENTIVE to NOT use sick leave, they are not going to use as much, as a pilot group with a 'use it or lose it' type sick leave policy."
So...there you have it. RA thinks we use twice the Industry Average in sick leave, because some numbers geek who only looked at one metric said so, it must be true.
Seems some numbers wonk told RA that the Delta Pilot Group uses, on average, DOUBLE the "Industry Average" of sick days/hours/what have you. RA put out the word to the CP's to crack down on Sick Leave Abuse!!
The CP's found that "Double the Industry Average" thing a little hard to believe, so they did some research (what a concept!).
Turns out the other carriers used in the Industry Average all PAY their pilots their unused sick hours/days at the end of the year, or they can bank it and roll it over to the next year, and save it for a really rainy day, or an early retirement, like NWA used to be able to.
The CP told me, "Well of course if you give the pilot's an INCENTIVE to NOT use sick leave, they are not going to use as much, as a pilot group with a 'use it or lose it' type sick leave policy."
So...there you have it. RA thinks we use twice the Industry Average in sick leave, because some numbers geek who only looked at one metric said so, it must be true.
He failed to ask the obvious question. He gets paid a lot of money to not only generate the numbers, but to also understand the numbers.
Dick needs to pay attention to the details. After all, that's what he is paid millions to do.
12-02-2013, 03:27 PM
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Maybe Dick isn't as great a manager as we have been led to believe. If he was a really talented manager the first question he would have asked after being presented with this information is WHY?
He failed to ask the obvious question. He gets paid a lot of money to not only generate the numbers, but to also understand the numbers.
Dick needs to pay attention to the details. After all, that's what he is paid millions to do.
He failed to ask the obvious question. He gets paid a lot of money to not only generate the numbers, but to also understand the numbers.
Dick needs to pay attention to the details. After all, that's what he is paid millions to do.
OR...Dick could "Incentivize" us to not use sick leave, like his Industry Average Airlines do.
12-02-2013, 03:50 PM
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So using that rational if the company is out of compliance wrt mainline jets vs RJs could they just add mainline jets "on paper" and be in compliance? Follow my logic here? Just don't wanna go down the slippery slope of allowing them to move phantom numbers around to meet the PWA requirements. Make sense?
The 717's were still in full AirTran garb in and out and were actually flown by Airtran pilots but as soon as the flight was done and the check written DAL was in compliance with the scope clause!
Jets are real and owned by DAL but they aren't even close to being on line.
12-02-2013, 04:06 PM
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A good faith basis call would typically not be tied to a 15 day or 100 hour verification requirement as that pilot is already required to provide sick verification to the company. As an example to answer your question, the pilot who calls in sick and then travels via jumpseat on another carrier (the company would know since CASS pinged the Delta system to verify employment) without first getting permission from his Chief Pilot would likely get a good faith basis call. Also, a pilot that calls in sick and then posts on Facebook about the great outdoor physical activities he is enjoying with old friends he hasn't seen in years while visiting out of town relatives during the same time frame could generate a good faith basis call. The company would then have a reason to question the pilot's use of sick leave which is not solely based on the amount of sick leave used or the frequency of sick occurrences for that pilot.
I think most of us would say that no pilot is out of touch enough to actually do that, but unfortunately that is not the case. It is my understanding that less than 0.5% of the pilot group has gotten a good faith basis call.
I think most of us would say that no pilot is out of touch enough to actually do that, but unfortunately that is not the case. It is my understanding that less than 0.5% of the pilot group has gotten a good faith basis call.
Hillbilly covered it. Hope that helps.
12-02-2013, 04:06 PM
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Technically Timbo, that's not a call made on a "Good Faith" basis. You received a call based on Sec 14.F.3.b, which gives us the 2 circumstances in which verification is required.
Verification of sickness under Section 14 F. 2. is required when:
a) a pilot has used more than 100 hours of unverified sick leave in a sick leave year, or
b) a pilot has been absent on a single sick occurrence for 15 or more consecutive days.
Good Faith is covered under Sec 14 F 4. Not trying to be a smart guy. Just clarifying the contract.
Verification of sickness under Section 14 F. 2. is required when:
a) a pilot has used more than 100 hours of unverified sick leave in a sick leave year, or
b) a pilot has been absent on a single sick occurrence for 15 or more consecutive days.
Good Faith is covered under Sec 14 F 4. Not trying to be a smart guy. Just clarifying the contract.
Now I have been out sick for a while, but the explanation was in the doctor's note, and I have surgery scheduled.
12-02-2013, 04:14 PM
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The very next day the same CP calls him to find out why he has been out sick for weeks. My friend said "We just spoke yesterday" and CP said "Yup you're correct. Sorry. I'm having a senior moment. Have a good day." And that was the end of it.
Be sure to track your time in iCrew. Make sure it is indeed "verified" sick usage. BTW, didn't know you were out sick. Hope all is well soon.
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