Scoop

Why would any 320A sell back his vacation now? If the company is that short they can keep their vacation and make a week's worth of vacation pay on a two day greenslip.

Better yet all put in only GS with conflict.

I would assume a lot of these guys have vacation plans since a lot of kids are on break, ski trips etc.

Scoop

GunshipGuy

Only if they're staffed by 75 FOs (no backfill, thank you).

newKnow

I remember the MD88 captains they displaced earlier this year, too. If you bid off, no backfill. I think they really wanted them to go to the 717.

It's like they are playing chess with us -- trying to figure out where we are going to bid. But, they are losing.

buzzpat

Hopefully, it will be zero and the company begins to understand the need for more pilots. If these targeted 320A guys choose to leap for the golden ring in lieu of the contractually guaranteed vacation...we have a problem. Sell back vacation = we'll work for you regardless of the impact in my bros and future contract positions, just like taking GSs during furloughed years.

The crucible should result in a guy walking thru and our company hiring to the requirement. Any problem with that guys?

80ktsClamp

They keep trying to play chess with us, but we don't know they game rules nor do they. Given latest feedback from the kremlin, they know they are behind the power curve on hiring and don't have a solution. There is a quickly limiting flow of new pilots and half of the legacy pilots in the states will be gone in less than 10 years. We'll be cannabalizing each other for pilots. DL has given the job offer to 9E guys without degrees now (breaking the language of the bridge agreement)... I know specific names. So... here we go I guess.

Carl Spackler

Oh, OK. I'm glad someone has finally explained it to me.

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acl65pilot

32/7 will be gone Jan 1. DAL got approval to operate under FAR 117 Jan 1 and not Jan 4th as the law stated. The waiver is from all of Part 121 and subparts as well. A bunch airlines did that. Its now duty driven. No 30/7 and 32/7 but a max duty limit, max daily flight time limits, and a hard restart to a rolling 100 in 28 days of flight time. (Ie no lookback in to Dec for 100 hrs.)

brakechatter

I'll hit 250 this year within 5 from the bottom in ATL. That's with Jan-Apr on the -9, a month of training in may, and half of June for IOE. No vacation sell back, 6 weeks off for knee surgery. All on reserve. The true beauty is that I've never felt more rested, I haven't worked more than 14 days, and I work only two days in December due to all they payback days they owe me.

Blanket G/S in and out of base all month every month. There were also several G/S I missed out on by just being out of position--IOW I didn't sit at home by the phone all day every day.

Live 1:20 away from ATL. 220 total hours on the 320 in 6 months.

Of course, there was one stretch where I worked 7 calendar reserve days in a row in Nov. The trips overall on the 320 are less than desirable--at least in ATL. Many 30 hour layovers. Probably more 30 hour layovers to come with the new rest rules.

I am in favor of exploring the time and a half provision over the ALV. I think it would be even smarter and safer to explore x day payback for all pilots. That has kept me sane--although when stating is so short it is hard to get the x days as they are subject to mutual concurrence (automated function often denied for capped reserve days). If we could make those payback days similar to APDs, I would likely bid reserve all the time, even if senior. The guys who make 300K worked hard for it, and are probably really tired.

Just some info from 1 perspective

scambo1

I agree, a little concerted "legal" activity could go a long way in that category.

PilotFrog

It seems to me this is a perfect opportunity for an ALPA or DPA letter explaining the pitfalls of vacation sellback, the differences in IA, GS and GS with conflict. Not to discourage one from the other but to inform and let the pilots make their own decision.