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11-26-2013, 05:29 PM
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I sincerely hope no one bites on this vacation buyback. NWA had the ability to cancel vacation...this "voluntary liquidation" is bad enough. The company made a conscious decision not to hire/upgrade/backfill (despite being advised to the contrary). There should be some consequence to their ill advised delay in proper staffing. Again...I hope those considering this will think long and hard before doing so.
I hope I am wrong, but I see this vacation liquidation as something management will use system wide as the retirements hit. It will become normal ops. If used across the board, it will slow progression big time and reduce green slips.
Hopefully there is language limiting its use.
11-26-2013, 05:32 PM
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11-26-2013, 05:36 PM
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Like flying high time with guys on furlough, we will always have those who will take this deal.
I hope I am wrong, but I see this vacation liquidation as something management will use system wide as the retirements hit. It will become normal ops. If used across the board, it will slow progression big time and reduce green slips.
Hopefully there is language limiting its use.
I hope I am wrong, but I see this vacation liquidation as something management will use system wide as the retirements hit. It will become normal ops. If used across the board, it will slow progression big time and reduce green slips.
Hopefully there is language limiting its use.
I think I just answered my own question. This is a test case by the company. See how many guys bite... sell back vacation at regular rates (minus per diem), avoid any greenslip pay, and adjust staffing accordingly as it's rolled out across all categories. How this job has declined...
11-26-2013, 05:44 PM
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I don't know about ATL, but I ran into a bud who is a 320A in NYC this summer. He told me that they were so short (and screwed up) that 2 of the three months that had just passed he was paid north of $30K. The one month he didn't make that much, he "took off" by choice. He's a bottom block-holder about half the year and in the bottom third of the category.
11-26-2013, 05:50 PM
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Selling vacation has serious productivity consequences. If it becomes the norm, it will drastically slow upgrades and effect everyone except those with a seniority number under 100.
When was this language agreed to?
I can't believe there is not a penalty like double pay to discourage continual use (abuse).
Another more serious consideration is safety. Given our concessions and loss of pensions, most will sell their vacation if given the opportunity. We are approaching the point where our pilots are flying right to the FAR maximums. Old and tired.
Management's greed will not abate until they lose a hull.
The trail of cuts is everywhere. Training by DVD. Eliminating the crew bunk on the A 330. Selling vacations. Upping the ALV by 2 hours. 99 hours of flying for reserves.
And they are just getting warmed up. I have heard management has a list of 30 cuts they want to make to training.
11-26-2013, 05:51 PM
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I don't know about ATL, but I ran into a bud who is a 320A in NYC this summer. He told me that they were so short (and screwed up) that 2 of the three months that had just passed he was paid north of $30K. The one month he didn't make that much, he "took off" by choice. He's a bottom block-holder about half the year and in the bottom third of the category.
I could manage the systems with Clamp as my seeing eye dog.
11-26-2013, 06:00 PM
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FWIW, NWALPA negotiated to get rid of vacation cancellation in the 98 contract.
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11-26-2013, 06:07 PM
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11-26-2013, 06:32 PM
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Like someone posted earlier, we are getting more of those jets. This isn't an issue that repairs itself. I'm thinking that I could stomach some of that earning potential. When's the next AE, I may have to VD to FIFI.
I could manage the systems with Clamp as my seeing eye dog.
I could manage the systems with Clamp as my seeing eye dog.
11-26-2013, 07:55 PM
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I don't know about ATL, but I ran into a bud who is a 320A in NYC this summer. He told me that they were so short (and screwed up) that 2 of the three months that had just passed he was paid north of $30K. The one month he didn't make that much, he "took off" by choice. He's a bottom block-holder about half the year and in the bottom third of the category.
My understanding is we're going to have a tough time hiring to staffing the 321s (which are now slated to be growth)... may have to delay delivery of them. As we've been stating on here, they waited too long to hire and now are on the back side of the power curve.
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