gzsg

No worries.

A read the language and all I see prohibiting wholesale liquidation of vacation is a 60 day notification of the Scheduling Chairman.

Selling vacation has serious productivity consequences. If it becomes the norm, it will drastically slow upgrades and effect everyone except those with a seniority number under 100.

When was this language agreed to? I can't believe there is not a penalty like double pay to discourage continual use (abuse).

Another more serious consideration is safety. Given our concessions and loss of pensions, most will sell their vacation if given the opportunity. We are approaching the point where our pilots are flying right to the FAR maximums. Old and tired.

Management's greed will not abate until they lose a hull.

The trail of cuts is everywhere. Training by DVD. Eliminating the crew bunk on the A 330. Selling vacations. Upping the ALV by 2 hours. 99 hours of flying for reserves.

And they are just getting warmed up. I have heard management has a list of 30 cuts they want to make to training.

Maybe our new MEC chairman will understand that making concessions during record profits, dividends and stock buybacks is not necessary. (Not holding my breath)

At least our Chief Operating Officer Steve Gorman got a 60.8% raise on his non bankruptcy pay. We are going to have to make more concessions to keep up that pace on increase for our management.

johnso29

ATL 320 CAs breaking $300K this year. That's how short.

Purple Drank

No harm, I'm sure.

We're all still coming to terms with the ramifications of our givebacks under C12.

newKnow

I just looked at the last AE and it doesn't look like it.

scambo1

How deep into the category is that earning going?

georgetg

Check this out:


launch abort fuel for the Dragon capsule used for powered descent and spot landing...

And it doesn't hurt SpeceX rocks out to Muse*



(makes parachuting into saltwater seem rather quaint)

Cheers
George

* And of course Total Ghost: "If NASA says No we will do it on our own we'll build our own rocket and we'll go to space alone"

Check Essential

It was one helluva concession but we can't blame this one on C2012.

This vacation sellback language came in during bankruptcy.
Specifically Letter 51 (2006).

Our contract was gutted in a lot of ways in Letters 46 and 51.
We'll probably never get most of that stuff back.

Just my opinion, but I think the biggest concession we gave in C2012 was another stealthy one that will end up being permanent. The impact was way under-estimated and we will never get it back.
That is ===> making July and August into 30 day months.

The only thing that compares was accepting the bankruptcy pay rates as the new normal.
The insulting COLA 4-8-3-3 is at least something we can still chip away at though.

gzsg

No doubt that is true. Don't forget that $300k captain is doing the work of 2 captains and that is why the progression is so slow.

The goal is to increase our pay so that captain can make $300K in 75 hours and have a life.

qball

I sincerely hope no one bites on this vacation buyback. NWA had the ability to cancel vacation...this "voluntary liquidation" is bad enough. The company made a conscious decision not to hire/upgrade/backfill (despite being advised to the contrary). There should be some consequence to their ill advised delay in proper staffing. Again...I hope those considering this will think long and hard before doing so.

Bucking Bar

If you were senior enough at FedEx and could hold it off they would have some sort of a "corporate emergency OmigodhowarewegoingtodeliverallthisstuffbyChristma s" panic attack and start throwing money at pilots from every office window in Memphis if they would come in and fly in late December.

Since my father still gets a retirement check, I'll just leave that there. But, it was 2 and 1/2 time normal pay for vacation buy back, if I recall correctly.

Just an opinion, but economically it appears likely that if we support this at normal pay, it will become normal operations and fewer pilots will be hired, or upgrade. To paraphrase Lee Moak, or was it Tim O'Malley, "nothing says we appreciate your effort like cash."