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Old 11-17-2013, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
I'll answer that one.

Yes. It got rid of the B scale.

Plus, whatever we did in 1998, might have helped us in 2003(??). At a time when the industry was still reeling from 9/11, we managed to get a pay raise. Which was unbelievable to many people, back then.

(Ok. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. But, that's the way I remember it. )
Nice. Like I said, no flame bait, I was just curious what changed after the strike. Well done!
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Old 11-17-2013, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
Nice. Like I said, no flame bait, I was just curious what changed after the strike. Well done!
No problem, Delta! I just hope my memory is correct. 2003 was 10 years ago. The strike was 15 years ago. It's amazing how quickly the time goes by.
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Old 11-17-2013, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
This is close enough for me to call what I saw "a duck".
That's what I thought. Can't debate somebody who reads things that simply aren't there. I could do the same thing by constantly posting that you're a closeted Gator fan, then quote all those posts of yours where you mention the Gators. I could do that, but then I'd be you.

But if it brings you joy, I'm happy for you.

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Old 11-17-2013, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
Nice. Like I said, no flame bait, I was just curious what changed after the strike. Well done!
NewK and TOGA LK nailed it, but TOGA got the most important part. Our CEO at the time was John Dasburg. He was somebody I thought I knew and had a friendly relationship with. When he pushed us toward a strike, it was absolutely unreal. We had turned the corner from the leveraged buyout and were solidly profitable again, yet he wanted a B scale and pay freezes. It was like he'd lost his marbles. Many of us tried to tell him that we'd shut the place down, but he was sure he had us by the nads. Apparently his hired union busters told him that we'd long since lost the backbone to strike. They assured him it would never happen.

After the strike ended two weeks later, John left the company to "enjoy more time with his family." Then became CEO of Burger King. Every airline CEO saw that. Richard saw it up close because he was in executive leadership at the time. There's a chance that strike set the stage for United's record setting contract, and maybe even Delta's.

So yes, that strike was a tough one. But I think it paid dividends in many ways.

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Old 11-17-2013, 02:35 PM
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Anyone know what the "erroneous FAR violations" are that crew scheduling is robocalling about?
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Old 11-17-2013, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
NewK and TOGA LK nailed it, but TOGA got the most important part. Our CEO at the time was John Dasburg. He was somebody I thought I knew and had a friendly relationship with. When he pushed us toward a strike, it was absolutely unreal. We had turned the corner from the leveraged buyout and were solidly profitable again, yet he wanted a B scale and pay freezes. It was like he'd lost his marbles. Many of us tried to tell him that we'd shut the place down, but he was sure he had us by the nads. Apparently his hired union busters told him that we'd long since lost the backbone to strike. They assured him it would never happen.

After the strike ended two weeks later, John left the company to "enjoy more time with his family." Then became CEO of Burger King. Every airline CEO saw that. Richard saw it up close because he was in executive leadership at the time. There's a chance that strike set the stage for United's record setting contract, and maybe even Delta's.

So yes, that strike was a tough one. But I think it paid dividends in many ways.

Carl
Thanks Carl.
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Old 11-17-2013, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
That's what I thought. Can't debate somebody who reads things that simply aren't there. I could do the same thing by constantly posting that you're a closeted Gator fan, then quote all those posts of yours where you mention the Gators. I could do that, but then I'd be you.

But if it brings you joy, I'm happy for you.

Carl
No you're not. You are pizzed that you got caught in a blatant defamation of your fellow pilots before you could hit the delete key, and now you cannot backstroke fast enough to get your butt out of it. Own it big man.... it exists, and you said it. I didn't even have to read between the lines or insinuate anything. You want respect, just apologize and we'll move on. Until you do, it will be on my tag line to remind everyone what your game is all about.

Division... it's not just for math class anymore.
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Old 11-17-2013, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

After the strike ended two weeks later, John left the company to "enjoy more time with his family."

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Just to be accurate Dasburg did not leave NWA until 2001 to become CEO. I remember flying that day and getting the ACARS saying he was leaving.

As to your other point the strike did have long term benefits and was well done by all the NWA pilots.
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Old 11-17-2013, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
No you're not. You are pizzed that you got caught in a blatant defamation of your fellow pilots before you could hit the delete key, and now you cannot backstroke fast enough to get your butt out of it.
Backstroke? I meant and mean every word I said. Not the words you've said, the words I've said.

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Own it big man.... it exists, and you said it.
I own every word I said.

Originally Posted by tsquare
I didn't even have to read between the lines or insinuate anything.
That's all you've done is insinuate and mischaracterize. But don't change now tsquare...keep at it.

Originally Posted by tsquare
You want respect, just apologize and we'll move on. Until you do, it will be on my tag line to remind everyone what your game is all about.
If I ever felt respect from you, I'd be worried.

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Old 11-17-2013, 02:56 PM
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Carl, you are one amazing man. You obviously know how to use the quote button, but when it is YOUR name inside those quotes, somehow it doesn't apply.

Keep it up, you're doing wonders for your cause.
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