Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-16-2013, 12:04 PM
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Gotcha! (spell check sucks) Thanks again denny.
11-16-2013, 12:20 PM
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Now to take a break from our regularly scheduled DPA vs DALPA fights.
Just finished a charter and was talking to the coordinator. According to him we are looking for 12 or so A320s to use as year round dedicated charter aircraft. That would put the VIP configuration in them and quit using the 319s. Evidently we are picking up more NHL and baseball charters that makes this feasible.
No back to the fighting.
Just finished a charter and was talking to the coordinator. According to him we are looking for 12 or so A320s to use as year round dedicated charter aircraft. That would put the VIP configuration in them and quit using the 319s. Evidently we are picking up more NHL and baseball charters that makes this feasible.
No back to the fighting.
11-16-2013, 12:42 PM
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11-16-2013, 12:48 PM
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11-16-2013, 12:56 PM
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Carl,
I typically enjoy your posts, but you're losing me. You (correctly) were critical of the scourge letter from DALPA, but continue to bash those who disagree with you. You put out hyperbole like "secret police", throw out a couple remarks about something a friend told you regarding the psychological interview, and expect us to somehow magically come over to your way of thinking? We are all relatively intelligent, driven people. Putting down those whose ideas are different isn't a way to get them over to your side. Instead, it sort of seems sort of like the divide and conquer methods of management, don't you think?
I typically enjoy your posts, but you're losing me. You (correctly) were critical of the scourge letter from DALPA, but continue to bash those who disagree with you. You put out hyperbole like "secret police", throw out a couple remarks about something a friend told you regarding the psychological interview, and expect us to somehow magically come over to your way of thinking? We are all relatively intelligent, driven people. Putting down those whose ideas are different isn't a way to get them over to your side. Instead, it sort of seems sort of like the divide and conquer methods of management, don't you think?
And I don't expect people to see things my way or any other way. I just express my thoughts
Carl
11-16-2013, 01:13 PM
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You clearly don't want to hear it, but they did something interesting in that screening process to produce so many folks like you and tsquare that would never strike the airline for any reason. Tsquare says even the thought of it is stupid. My understanding is that before agency shop, Delta pilots had the highest percentage of non-members than any other ALPA airline.
This isn't just statistical abstracts, this is really important. Without the credible threat of a strike, you are essentially a non-union employee. You'll get whatever the company thinks is right...just like all the other Delta employees.
Carl
11-16-2013, 01:15 PM
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No kidding.
I think a good place to start would be to get post-TA reviews of polling data. It's obviously a bad idea before, and during negotiations. But once, just once, I'd like to get a snapshot of where people actually stand.
It would instructive, when having discussions about where we should be, to understand where we actually were. Thing is, when speaking to various reps over the year, I got the vague sense that maybe the internet pilot community would be awfully surprised about what people ask for in private. Might make 88 Driver's brain explode, and his heart collapse. Or maybe not. Because it's all supposition, with no actual data.
Why wouldn't the preparations for C2015 include an honest review of 2012, with the membership?
I think a good place to start would be to get post-TA reviews of polling data. It's obviously a bad idea before, and during negotiations. But once, just once, I'd like to get a snapshot of where people actually stand.
It would instructive, when having discussions about where we should be, to understand where we actually were. Thing is, when speaking to various reps over the year, I got the vague sense that maybe the internet pilot community would be awfully surprised about what people ask for in private. Might make 88 Driver's brain explode, and his heart collapse. Or maybe not. Because it's all supposition, with no actual data.
Why wouldn't the preparations for C2015 include an honest review of 2012, with the membership?
Carl
11-16-2013, 01:15 PM
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My buds don't have dementia. They have no reason to lie about it.
You clearly don't want to hear it, but they did something interesting in that screening process to produce so many folks like you and tsquare that would never strike the airline for any reason. Tsquare says even the thought of it is stupid. My understanding is that before agency shop, Delta pilots had the highest percentage of non-members than any other ALPA airline.
This isn't just statistical abstracts, this is really important. Without the credible threat of a strike, you are essentially a non-union employee. You'll get whatever the company thinks is right...just like all the other Delta employees.
Carl
You clearly don't want to hear it, but they did something interesting in that screening process to produce so many folks like you and tsquare that would never strike the airline for any reason. Tsquare says even the thought of it is stupid. My understanding is that before agency shop, Delta pilots had the highest percentage of non-members than any other ALPA airline.
This isn't just statistical abstracts, this is really important. Without the credible threat of a strike, you are essentially a non-union employee. You'll get whatever the company thinks is right...just like all the other Delta employees.
Carl
11-16-2013, 01:24 PM
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MEC guys who come after me with a constant litany of insults.
I try to keep it to a minimum and only defensive in nature.
And I don't expect people to see things my way or any other way. I just express my thoughts
11-16-2013, 01:24 PM
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Because the results of any negotiations on economic and job-protection issues (ie. money and scope) can lead to changes in the Company's stock performance, it is a requirement to sign NDA's that would prevent insider trading or other other potentially illegal scenarios.
On top of that, there are committee of the MEC that do receive confidential information from the company (routes, a/c orders, market projections) that the MEC uses to enforce applicable sections of the PWA.
I prefer having the Company's internal data plus less accurate external data to derive compliance and enforcement, wouldn't you?
On top of that, there are committee of the MEC that do receive confidential information from the company (routes, a/c orders, market projections) that the MEC uses to enforce applicable sections of the PWA.
I prefer having the Company's internal data plus less accurate external data to derive compliance and enforcement, wouldn't you?
Any truthful company information has to be signed by the CEO per Sarbanes-Oxley. Once it's signed, it becomes public information. Inside information that has yet to be made public, has also not been signed. Thus it does not have to be truthful. I see no benefit whatsoever for our union leaders to get insider information that we don't know to be fact, while the company required NDA's do nothing but separate us line guys from our elected leadership.
I don't care what problems the company thinks they have and want to "prove" to us. That's why they're management and are paid handsomely for that privilege. Our job as a union is to extract as much as we can, not be on management's side. This is how negotiations should work where two opposing sides eventually find compromise...or not.
Carl
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