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Old 11-16-2013, 08:17 AM
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Gearjerk,

You are a year off on when openers are exchanged. It's Mar/Apr 2015.

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Old 11-16-2013, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
We maintain situational awareness by looking out the window at the other reference points. Which of those other airlines would you prefer to work for, other than Delta, and why? Is the reason you would perfer to work for another carrier based on anything your union has done, or has not done? Or are they in a different business, like cargo. Objectively, I look out the window and Delta is, at least in my mind, the #1 job with the #1 pay in the passenger business.
Ah yes, the old cargo business excuse. Still doesn't add up Bar. SWA pilots make FAR more than Delta pilots...not that pay is the major factor. The major factor is SWA pilots haven't outsourced a single one of their jobs. Also, our JV competitor foreign passenger airlines also make FAR more than Delta pilots.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Yes, my career has stagnated horribly. We merged and I've not yet recovered, but, wasn't that management's call? ALPA got me quite a substantial pay raise, stock and improved my contract. ALPA did it through partnership more than combativeness. As a result, not only is our pay near the top, but our airline is growing and the best competitor I've ever seen in the marketplace.
Delta pilots don't lead the industry in any metric. DALPA did that through a complete aversion to conflict.

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ALPA will absolutely work to make things better. Their work never stops. As we type they are working on optimizing FAR 117 for us, they are trying to get more flying for us on the Virgin JV and they are helping indviduals with many myriad issues that nobody talks about.
But ALPA is not talking about Delta pilots leading the industry and reversing our horrific outsourcing problem. The other stuff is nice, but they're ignoring the big picture.

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Richard Anderson was an attorney under Frank Lorenzo. He has seen labor wars fought, and his side won. Continental is still here and the Eastern pilots mostly exited the profession. He is a very smart man who sees the value of working together.
Incorrect. Texas Air is gone. New York Air is gone. Eastern Airlines is gone. Frank Lorenzo is barred from ever working in the airline industry again. That's back when ALPA was a real union...not a pretend union. Richard knows full well what an organized labor group can do when they are united. Sadly, Richard knows that ALPA isn't a labor union.

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Of course, if you are frustrated by the lack of progress, grab a corner and lift. There are always opportunities to serve.
Indeed. That's why 5,000 of us are backing an independent union...not a pretend union.

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Old 11-16-2013, 08:29 AM
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Gearjerk,
You are a year off on when openers are exchanged. It's Mar/Apr 2015.
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You're right! Dang it, that public skool math.
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Old 11-16-2013, 08:32 AM
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Do constantly have to belittle people? Kindergarten.
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You are a cancer to DPA.
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You sir are a cancer to the drive.
Just telling it like it is.

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Old 11-16-2013, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Gearjerk,

You are a year off on when openers are exchanged. It's Mar/Apr 2015.

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Correct. It would fall in the first week of April, 2015.
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Old 11-16-2013, 08:40 AM
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Oh now the truth comes out. You're angry that DPA's largest membership population is Atlanta. I understand.


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Nah, not angry at all. Just ready for a vote, so we all can move on.
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Old 11-16-2013, 08:48 AM
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NOTE TO ALL:

C2015 openers will be exchanged in Spring of 2015, not in the spring of 2014.

Roughly 16 months. Start getting informed, determining your priorities, and thinking about your "want list".

Polling is ongoing and the next contract surveys will probably happen in the next 6-9 months.
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Old 11-16-2013, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk
This statement, right here, is what I'm talking about Carl. You keep embarrassing yourself with thinly veiled justifications of why the DPA "should keep going, keep forging forward."
You embarrass yourself by putting words in others mouths. Accuracy is definitely not your strong suit.

Originally Posted by Gearjerk
Your a numbers guy, you know statistics. You know it's taken almost three years to get 5000 cards (not even 50% of the seniority list), and realize that it could take ANOTHER three years to get the required amount of cards to call for a vote. Or, in another three years, you'll still be sitting at 5000 cards because no one else is signing up, & quite frankly, the ones who did sign up, are seeing it as a fruitless effort & not renewing.
DALPA are numbers people too, which makes your latest inaccuracies so glaring. 5,500 cards is a disaster and DALPA knows it. That's why they're funding this "Special Committee". DALPA knows that it only takes 50% of the people who vote to oust ALPA. DALPA also knows that those 5,500 cards are activist voters that will absolutely vote. DALPA knows the remaining 6,500 pilots are not necessarily ALPA supporters, nor activist voters. These numbers are the reason the "Special Committee" is being funded.

Originally Posted by Gearjerk
The truly "SAD" part about it Carl, is the DPA has ALREADY lost. (Even more sad that you don't understand that.) Not in terms of a vote, or awakening ALPA/D-ALPA, but in terms of dividing this pilot group during the last Section 6 negotiations, AND they're willing to do it again (just because they can), in another 4.5 months when we exchange openers with the company again.
Geez. First off, DPA had nothing to do with the enormously divisive (and continuing divisiveness) resulting from the coup that ousted Roberts. Second, openers aren't exchanged until April 2015...not 2014. Again, accuracy is not your strong suit.

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First of all, leave the "Secret Police" name calling BS at home. It lends so much more credence to your DPA fervor when your not slinging names & insults.
Call em as I see em.

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Secondly, D-ALPA realizes how the DPA has divided the pilot group.
No, DALPA realizes how much they've divided the pilot group with this latest recall. But the powerful few within DALPA don't care about that...only acquiring power.

Originally Posted by Gearjerk
They also realize that we have Section 6 openers due in another 4.5 months. If you were going out on a first date in 4.5 months (Section 6 opener), would you too want to get the lice (DPA) out of your hair?
Again dude, accuracy is clearly not your forte. We don't exchange openers until Spring of 2015.

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Old 11-16-2013, 08:59 AM
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You guys have the floor. Off to the golf course then football!

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Old 11-16-2013, 09:11 AM
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Yes, read my reply to Denny's post. I admitted that my statement of 4.5 months (March '14) was incorrect.

If that is your only counter-argument for ridding ourselves of the lice (DPA), prior to the meeting of a lifetime (C2015), then it's no wonder why you have affiliation to such a scourge of an organization.

My assertion still stands. Good luck deflecting the reason for the pilot groups divisiveness. See you at a Council 20 meeting sometime.

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