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11-14-2013, 04:11 PM
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That might not be such a bad idea. Let's do some back of the napkin math...
I'm going to say, on the MD-88 our average load factor (including the MD-90's) is 145. At an average of 3 legs per day, 16 days per month... that is 6,960 passengers for the month or 83,520 passengers for the year. Let's say each passenger tips us $7 (a little less than the tip one would leave the waiter for a $50 meal). We split it $4 for the Captain and $3 for the First Officer. That's $334K for the Captain for the year and $250K for the First Officer.
Kinda puts it into perspective doesn't it?
I'm going to say, on the MD-88 our average load factor (including the MD-90's) is 145. At an average of 3 legs per day, 16 days per month... that is 6,960 passengers for the month or 83,520 passengers for the year. Let's say each passenger tips us $7 (a little less than the tip one would leave the waiter for a $50 meal). We split it $4 for the Captain and $3 for the First Officer. That's $334K for the Captain for the year and $250K for the First Officer.
Kinda puts it into perspective doesn't it?
11-14-2013, 04:12 PM
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11-14-2013, 04:48 PM
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The MD-88 carries 149 passengers and the MD-90 carries 160. I used the assumption that the average load factor (weighted for the MD-88 since there are more of them) was 145. If you multiply 145 X 3 (legs), that's 435 passengers per day.
I used the assumption that we average flying 16 days per month. 435 X 16 = 6,960 passengers per month. 6,960 X 12 (months) = 83,520 passengers per year.
If each passenger tips us $7, and we split it $4 for the Captain and $3 for the First Officer, that results in a total tip of $584,640... or $334,080 for the Captain and $250,560 for the First Officer.
Does that clear it up?
11-14-2013, 04:53 PM
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Not sure what you mean. I was using the assumption that our average is 3 legs per day on a trip. That's probably about right for the MD-88/90 category. And it doesn't matter whether we fly in/out of ATL the whole time or not... it's still 3 legs.
The MD-88 carries 149 passengers and the MD-90 carries 160. I used the assumption that the average load factor (weighted for the MD-88 since there are more of them) was 145. If you multiply 145 X 3 (legs), that's 435 passengers per day.
I used the assumption that we average flying 16 days per month. 435 X 16 = 6,960 passengers per month. 6,960 X 12 (months) = 83,520 passengers per year.
If each passenger tips us $7, and we split it $4 for the Captain and $3 for the First Officer, that results in a total tip of $584,640... or $334,080 for the Captain and $250,560 for the First Officer.
Does that clear it up?
The MD-88 carries 149 passengers and the MD-90 carries 160. I used the assumption that the average load factor (weighted for the MD-88 since there are more of them) was 145. If you multiply 145 X 3 (legs), that's 435 passengers per day.
I used the assumption that we average flying 16 days per month. 435 X 16 = 6,960 passengers per month. 6,960 X 12 (months) = 83,520 passengers per year.
If each passenger tips us $7, and we split it $4 for the Captain and $3 for the First Officer, that results in a total tip of $584,640... or $334,080 for the Captain and $250,560 for the First Officer.
Does that clear it up?
11-14-2013, 06:09 PM
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Given our investment in, and the the financial success of the company, our contract should be worth at least as much as FedEx. Right now it's not even close. I'm not willing to give up anything, except perhaps the enthusiasm with which I perform my job, to achieve that.
11-14-2013, 06:30 PM
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11-14-2013, 06:46 PM
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What a bunch of BS.
In normal negotiations, where two parties are on roughly equal footing, there is give and take. But in a situation where one party has absolutely taken extreme and unfair advantage over the other, negotiations are not normal. Given the severity of the cuts we've taken, we're not going to achieve restoration (or anything close to it) with the normal negotiation mindset of "you give us something and we'll give you something in return." Professional negotiators can smell the kind of vibe that you (and DALPA) give off from a mile away. And they will absolutely continue to bury us if we keep that kind of mindset. "What do you want to give up to get that?" That's the mindset of DALPA. Apparently, you agree with it.
Surrender if you want. Give up on the value of this profession and the rest of our careers. But understand there are many of us who have too much respect for this profession to be willing to go along with that.
In normal negotiations, where two parties are on roughly equal footing, there is give and take. But in a situation where one party has absolutely taken extreme and unfair advantage over the other, negotiations are not normal. Given the severity of the cuts we've taken, we're not going to achieve restoration (or anything close to it) with the normal negotiation mindset of "you give us something and we'll give you something in return." Professional negotiators can smell the kind of vibe that you (and DALPA) give off from a mile away. And they will absolutely continue to bury us if we keep that kind of mindset. "What do you want to give up to get that?" That's the mindset of DALPA. Apparently, you agree with it.
Surrender if you want. Give up on the value of this profession and the rest of our careers. But understand there are many of us who have too much respect for this profession to be willing to go along with that.
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11-14-2013, 06:57 PM
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I think we actually did far better in BK than most peers.
There is a legitimate question about the speed of the climb back.. Which shifts the focus to the amount of climb back before the constructive engagement window closes (and I'm convinced it is closing). The next few negotiations need to yield a significant amount of returns.
Where I don't agree with 88 driver is that he's obsessed with one single competitor, not our own circumstances, and also that he's always talking about payrates, almost never the rest of the contract. I could live with modest additional payrate increases IF the rest of the contract was cleaned up considerably. The reverse is not true.
There is a legitimate question about the speed of the climb back.. Which shifts the focus to the amount of climb back before the constructive engagement window closes (and I'm convinced it is closing). The next few negotiations need to yield a significant amount of returns.
Where I don't agree with 88 driver is that he's obsessed with one single competitor, not our own circumstances, and also that he's always talking about payrates, almost never the rest of the contract. I could live with modest additional payrate increases IF the rest of the contract was cleaned up considerably. The reverse is not true.
11-14-2013, 06:58 PM
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11-14-2013, 07:01 PM
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