Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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Exactly. I figure the average MD88/90 Captain will have lost about $1 million in pay from 2005 to 2015. And nobody (including myself) is asking to be repaid for that. We're just asking to have our pay restored going forward. Especially in light of our company's success, I think that's more than reasonable!
And if we fail to recognize that we've already given up a tremendous amount with pennies on the dollar in return, we won't be disappointed? C'mon, man. I guess I don't see what you are advocating for, other than the status quo, which is costing us a great deal of money in lost wages/compensation.
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Picked up a 3 day Rome. It's been awhile since I was there last. Any good ideas on food and drink? Cheers H
DEC A's are out... where are by backdoor B's at, yo??
And again, I have never intimated otherwise. We have given up a lot. But a contract negotiations is just that... negotiations. The company is going to want something that we do not want. Ergo, what you and 88driver call a giveback will be asked for. You have three options. Agree to it entirely, say no, or try to soften the blow with a gain somewhere else. What I hear from you and him is that we have already given, so we will not do that. Got news for ya, that won't work. But Carl, Timmy and that bunch probably think we will be showing big balls if we go down that path. At least that is the impression I get from them... I firmly believe that we can get 100% restoration of payrates (whatever that is) on day 1. ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. Of course it might cost us some more productivity enhancements or 2 weeks of vacation, or maybe a minimum ALV of 90... but it could be done. Do you want that? So think about it again. Everything is negotiable.
In normal negotiations, where two parties are on roughly equal footing, there is give and take. But in a situation where one party has absolutely taken extreme and unfair advantage over the other, negotiations are not normal. Given the severity of the cuts we've taken, we're not going to achieve restoration (or anything close to it) with the normal negotiation mindset of "you give us something and we'll give you something in return." Professional negotiators can smell the kind of vibe that you (and DALPA) give off from a mile away. And they will absolutely continue to bury us if we keep that kind of mindset. "What do you want to give up to get that?" That's the mindset of DALPA. Apparently, you agree with it.
Surrender if you want. Give up on the value of this profession and the rest of our careers. But understand there are many of us who have too much respect for this profession to be willing to go along with that.
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Man, I suck at bidding. How do you screw up a reserve bid? That's all I really wanted. I managed to do it.
The good news is my default bid was a line of time and it wasn't half bad.
As my dad used to say: You, son, could screw up a wet dream.
The good news is my default bid was a line of time and it wasn't half bad.
As my dad used to say: You, son, could screw up a wet dream.
What a bunch of BS.
In normal negotiations, where two parties are on roughly equal footing, there is give and take. But in a situation where one party has absolutely taken extreme and unfair advantage over the other, negotiations are not normal. Given the severity of the cuts we've taken, we're not going to achieve restoration (or anything close to it) with the normal negotiation mindset of "you give us something and we'll give you something in return." Professional negotiators can smell the kind of vibe that you (and DALPA) give off from a mile away. And they will absolutely continue to bury us if we keep that kind of mindset. "What do you want to give up to get that?" That's the mindset of DALPA. Apparently, you agree with it.
Surrender if you want. Give up on the value of this profession and the rest of our careers. But understand there are many of us who have too much respect for this profession to be willing to go along with that.
In normal negotiations, where two parties are on roughly equal footing, there is give and take. But in a situation where one party has absolutely taken extreme and unfair advantage over the other, negotiations are not normal. Given the severity of the cuts we've taken, we're not going to achieve restoration (or anything close to it) with the normal negotiation mindset of "you give us something and we'll give you something in return." Professional negotiators can smell the kind of vibe that you (and DALPA) give off from a mile away. And they will absolutely continue to bury us if we keep that kind of mindset. "What do you want to give up to get that?" That's the mindset of DALPA. Apparently, you agree with it.
Surrender if you want. Give up on the value of this profession and the rest of our careers. But understand there are many of us who have too much respect for this profession to be willing to go along with that.
And they will absolutely continue to bury us if we keep that kind of mindset. "What do you want to give up to get that?" That's the mindset of DALPA. Apparently, you agree with it.
Surrender if you want. Give up on the value of this profession and the rest of our careers. But understand there are many of us who have too much respect for this profession to be willing to go along with that.
Surrender if you want. Give up on the value of this profession and the rest of our careers. But understand there are many of us who have too much respect for this profession to be willing to go along with that.
Great post DAL 88
It's sad that I can say that I have heard one of our former 44 Ca reps say "What are you willing to give up for that" and I'm not convinced our current MEC has a different mindset. We shouldn't be giving any concessions at this point, none!
So you don't believe in negotiations ?, I guess in your world we don't negotiate we just demand. I wish I believed in your world, unfortunately, I live in the real world.
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