Agreed on that 100%.

As for the Heller example, I still think the 14th is pretty clear in defending our rights, but worst case if we interpreted it your way, I'd gladly let the Chicago (and DC, etc) state/city level bans stand in exchange for eliminating all federal restrictions.

11-14-2013, 08:30 AM

#142692

tsquare

No longer cares

Joined APC: Mar 2008

Position: 767er Captain

Posts: 12,109

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

You don't think we've given up enough concessions already?

* 42% pay cut
* Bankruptcy Protection Letter waived
* Agreed not to fight termination of pension
* Relaxed scope to allow more outsourcing of our jobs

Those were MASSIVE, career and life altering concessions. On the ledger of give and take, we've done WAY more giving than taking. What more do you think we should be giving up??

Talk about naive...

Now where did I ever say any of that?

11-14-2013, 08:32 AM

#142693

duder

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Joined APC: Apr 2011

Position: 717A

Posts: 243

Reserve clarification

I was under the assumption that short call for you guys basically meant that you had to get to the airport in a reasonable amount of time and long call for domestic was a 12 hour call out. A few pages back it was stated that short call was a 12 hour call out. Was I misreading that? If so please explain. Thanks!

11-14-2013, 08:32 AM

#142694

tsquare

No longer cares

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Position: 767er Captain

Posts: 12,109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purple Drank

It would be nice to get something of roughly equal value in return for our giveaways. History teaches us not to expect that with DALPA's "constructive engagement."
You blindly trust DALPA...and call me "naive?"

Absolutely. I am not saying that it should be an equal transaction. We should get more than we give, but to say that we should be able to negotiate a contract without ANY give is ridiculous, dangerous and stupid. We should be garnering more on our side of the ledger, but there will always be something that will be given up. EVERYTHING is negotiable. everything. Of course, we could use the DPA ideals, say no and follow the APA model. WE'll catch up to where we COULD have been in another 7 or 8 years, but if you are willing to wait, I certainly am too.

11-14-2013, 08:35 AM

#142695

tsquare

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Posts: 12,109

Quote:

Originally Posted by duder

SC is a "reasonable amount of time to report. It is intentionally gray because of the different dynamics at different bases.

11-14-2013, 08:37 AM

#142696

gloopy

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Position: window seat

Posts: 12,544

Quote:

Originally Posted by duder

Someone must have fat fingered something there. LC is 12 hours, or 10 hours to SC conversion. SC is understood to be about 2 hours or "reasonable report" especially in multipile co-bases where its about 2 hours to one and whatever it reasonably takes to the other(s). Even the 2 hours is a guideline. Quite often crews help the company out quite generously on that, and other times with traffic, weather, etc, even 2 hours from a single airport isn't enough. Much beyond that though and you'd probably have to be prepared to explain the reasonableness of it I'd assume.

11-14-2013, 08:39 AM

#142697

duder

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Position: 717A

Posts: 243

Thanks for the clarification T and Gloopy. That was my original understanding of the rule.

11-14-2013, 09:03 AM

#142698

scambo1

The Brown Dot +1

Joined APC: Jun 2009

Position: 777B

Posts: 7,775

Hey,
Any DAL Express alumni out there, I saw where Goz was retiring next month in the event you wanted to well wish him. IMO, he was a super good guy.

This post is very out of character for me. The only way I know it's somebody's birthday is that my wife puts a card in front of me to sign.