eruption

Wow....Finally figured out how to get to the DALPA Blog. What an utter joke!

23 years at Delta including service to DALPA as a DPN volunteer in the early 2000's. This is the first time I feel truly censored by my own Union.

I think an up or down vote for the DPA is coming sooner rather than later.

I just put a card in the mail.

tsquare

wow indeed.....

eruption

Also, as you can see from my post count versus the time I joined, I'm basically a lurker, just doing my job at DAL and enjoying my "off" time.

Amazing that it's actually DALPA that pushed me into sending in a card!

tsquare

Yeah I wish I had more self control to stay away from these things, but I do love the debate. Actually, I haven't been to the blog site, and I have no intention of going there so dALPA did me a favor by taking down the other one for a time. I didn't go for awhile, and didn't miss it, so I won't go back.... not even to lurk. But think about it.. if the reason that you sent in a card for alternate representation is because of the forum/blog, I would think your priorities are pretty tumbled as to what you are expecting from your union.... not hatin'... just looking at it from a logical perspective.

Bucking Bar

Your union shuts down it's web board, mostly because it does not want to be held liable for members' posts (which it has little control over) ... and because of that, you want a representational election? Really?

The last two times ALPA had to defend the actions of Delta pilots in Court, (that I know of) web board posts were used to target Delta pilots for depositions. If the posters could be held individually liable, that would be one thing. But, the Court potentially views what is on ALPA's board as sanctioned by the union. ( Courts generally allow the deep pockets to be pursued while letting the culpable, and broke, guys off the hook )

Should the DPA win a representational election, they will have exactly the same problem.

As an ALPA member, I do not want my dues money spent on trying to regulate and defend the uncivil behavior and opinions of individual pilots stirring the pot on their off time. It is better if the extensively written opinions of guys like me don't show up under the ALPA (or DPA) banner to drag the Delta pilots into a fight we've been trying to avoid.

Carl Spackler

Tsquare, you'd save so much time in your life on the internets if you would simply read what people write instead of the knee-jerk responses you're so famous for. Eruption didn't say he turned in a DPA card because of a forum/blog. He did so because of his union censoring debate that the union doesn't like. Here is his post below again for your review. I've bolded the point so you won't miss it if/when your knee jerks again:

Carl

tsquare

I used the word "if" when axing him the question.

Mehtinks 'twas your knee that spasm'd.

Bucking Bar

OK, top this ...

Carl Spackler

Here's your difficulty in understanding Bar. Just because the UNION says that's the reason they've shut it down, some people don't just believe what they are told. Some people can actually sense when they are being spun. Concern for members' liability has nothing to do with why our union shut down the web board. They did so because controlling communication is essential if you are trying to control thought.

Another example of using ridiculous logic to excuse censorship. It's ultimately a losing strategy. Most of us don't need nannies like you to watch out for us legally, so when you use that excuse as justification for censorship, you look like a spinmeister. Since I'm a very strong supporter of an independent union at Delta, I hope you continue this "strategy." It's a sure loser for you.



Others of us believe in free and open debate based on the free flow information. Ultimately, information always gets out anyway...regardless of how hard people think they can keep it secret. It doesn't sound like you'll ever be a happy DPA member given your total alignment with the current strategy of DALPA using "Special Committees", censorship, and information control. That's fine. That's your right. But I don't think a single thing you've said has done anything to turn Eruption back from the DPA. I read your post as arrogant and insulting. It would have only helped to make me more confident that I'd made the right decision.

Carl

Carl Spackler

You wouldn't have needed to preface your sentence with the word "if", if you'd actually read his post. You tried to make the guy feel like he was irrational by putting words in his mouth, and now your defending by saying you used the word "if."

If you weren't such a liberal, left-wing Obama-loving communist sympathizer, you wouldn't misread people so often. Now before you say how wrong I am, please ensure you notice my use of the word "if" to begin my sentence.

Carl