Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-22-2013, 11:53 AM
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AE awards... no goodness flowed down below 7ER F/O. No backfilling there means no advancement for 73N, 320, MD88 F/Os. Couple senior F/Os in those cats bid to M88 Capt and were backfilled, congrats to them, but vast majority came from 7ER with no backfill.
While someone will surely come on here and tout the "new capt slots" as a win, in fact this is indicative of the productivity give-aways from the last contract... folks retire at top, so we must move capts to replace them... but we don't hire to replace them, we just shrink by that amount due to productivity gains. Which has nothing to do with 717 hiring, which I'm sure someone will come on and point to as refutation. The hiring SHOULD have been twice what it is, but the pilot position losses from the last TA are being masked by a small hiring for 717 acquisition, which is fooling those unable to break the two events apart from the data stream.
Oh well. At least I didn't move backwards, I think...
While someone will surely come on here and tout the "new capt slots" as a win, in fact this is indicative of the productivity give-aways from the last contract... folks retire at top, so we must move capts to replace them... but we don't hire to replace them, we just shrink by that amount due to productivity gains. Which has nothing to do with 717 hiring, which I'm sure someone will come on and point to as refutation. The hiring SHOULD have been twice what it is, but the pilot position losses from the last TA are being masked by a small hiring for 717 acquisition, which is fooling those unable to break the two events apart from the data stream.
Oh well. At least I didn't move backwards, I think...
10-22-2013, 11:57 AM
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AE awards... no goodness flowed down below 7ER F/O. No backfilling there means no advancement for 73N, 320, MD88 F/Os. Couple senior F/Os in those cats bid to M88 Capt and were backfilled, congrats to them, but vast majority came from 7ER with no backfill.
While someone will surely come on here and tout the "new capt slots" as a win, in fact this is indicative of the productivity give-aways from the last contract... folks retire at top, so we must move capts to replace them... but we don't hire to replace them, we just shrink by that amount due to productivity gains. Which has nothing to do with 717 hiring, which I'm sure someone will come on and point to as refutation. The hiring SHOULD have been twice what it is, but the pilot position losses from the last TA are being masked by a small hiring for 717 acquisition, which is fooling those unable to break the two events apart from the data stream.
Oh well. At least I didn't move backwards, I think...
While someone will surely come on here and tout the "new capt slots" as a win, in fact this is indicative of the productivity give-aways from the last contract... folks retire at top, so we must move capts to replace them... but we don't hire to replace them, we just shrink by that amount due to productivity gains. Which has nothing to do with 717 hiring, which I'm sure someone will come on and point to as refutation. The hiring SHOULD have been twice what it is, but the pilot position losses from the last TA are being masked by a small hiring for 717 acquisition, which is fooling those unable to break the two events apart from the data stream.
Oh well. At least I didn't move backwards, I think...
10-22-2013, 11:58 AM
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10-22-2013, 12:01 PM
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10-22-2013, 12:02 PM
Straight QOL, homie
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10-22-2013, 12:03 PM
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10-22-2013, 12:07 PM
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Honestly, the numbers get murkier and murkier each time they post a 2013 AE that uses the same 10 or so 2014 757 replacements as an excuse for not backfilling ER F/O's. Either they're setting themselves up for a seriously ugly shortage in the near-term, or we're being lied to.
10-22-2013, 12:12 PM
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Honestly, the numbers get murkier and murkier each time they post a 2013 AE that uses the same 10 or so 2014 757 replacements as an excuse for not backfilling ER F/O's. Either they're setting themselves up for a seriously ugly shortage in the near-term, or we're being lied to.
That being said, the company has in the past stated they planned to park 31-36 757s by the end of 2015. This was stated this past June.
10-22-2013, 12:29 PM
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It's always the same suspects. I should have known tsquare would immediately pop up and completely mischaracterize my input. Dude, you need to learn to read the posts of others for what they are, and nothing more--stop displacing your issues onto other people's posts.
-- the absolute fact is that the positive gains in this last AE did NOT flow down to the bottom of the list.
-- I commented on that, and pointed out where the stop is and indeed that it was due to no backfill.
Apparently it bothers you when we folks at the bottom of the list, who have not moved upwards and indeed have moved BACKWARDS the last 4 AEs, all "positive" bids, point out that we are not in fact moving positively. You immediately jump in on the attack, talking nonsense like inferring I said anything resembling we should all jump off a bridge somewhere, or that the tone of my post was remotely that.
It's very easy to take the chipper high road while sitting as a 7ER Capt, and discount those below you who complain about stagnation, or even point out that apparent positive bids are not actually flowing down to the huddled masses. Do you have any remote idea how incredibly arrogant and insensitive it makes you sound to belittle those getting bumped out of base and off their aircraft as a result of the recent positive bids?
You don't think we should be allowed to look at an interesting result, a great positive capt bid that doesn't result in any movement of the bottom of the list, and ponder the reasons why, without you jumping in impugning our lack of enthusiasm while you cheerfully rake in $213 per hour work vs. our $130-140? It's quite easy to malign the concerns of the guy sitting in the back of the bus and not allowed in the restaurant, if you're the guy sitting in the front of the bus...
-- the absolute fact is that the positive gains in this last AE did NOT flow down to the bottom of the list.
-- I commented on that, and pointed out where the stop is and indeed that it was due to no backfill.
Apparently it bothers you when we folks at the bottom of the list, who have not moved upwards and indeed have moved BACKWARDS the last 4 AEs, all "positive" bids, point out that we are not in fact moving positively. You immediately jump in on the attack, talking nonsense like inferring I said anything resembling we should all jump off a bridge somewhere, or that the tone of my post was remotely that.
It's very easy to take the chipper high road while sitting as a 7ER Capt, and discount those below you who complain about stagnation, or even point out that apparent positive bids are not actually flowing down to the huddled masses. Do you have any remote idea how incredibly arrogant and insensitive it makes you sound to belittle those getting bumped out of base and off their aircraft as a result of the recent positive bids?
You don't think we should be allowed to look at an interesting result, a great positive capt bid that doesn't result in any movement of the bottom of the list, and ponder the reasons why, without you jumping in impugning our lack of enthusiasm while you cheerfully rake in $213 per hour work vs. our $130-140? It's quite easy to malign the concerns of the guy sitting in the back of the bus and not allowed in the restaurant, if you're the guy sitting in the front of the bus...
10-22-2013, 12:38 PM
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It's always the same suspects. I should have known tsquare would immediately pop up and completely mischaracterize my input. Dude, you need to learn to read the posts of others for what they are, and nothing more--stop displacing your issues onto other people's posts.
-- the absolute fact is that the positive gains in this last AE did NOT flow down to the bottom of the list.
-- I commented on that, and pointed out where the stop is and indeed that it was due to no backfill.
Apparently it bothers you when we folks at the bottom of the list, who have not moved upwards and indeed have moved BACKWARDS the last 4 AEs, all "positive" bids, point out that we are not in fact moving positively. You immediately jump in on the attack, talking nonsense like inferring I said anything resembling we should all jump off a bridge somewhere, or that the tone of my post was remotely that.
It's very easy to take the chipper high road while sitting as a 7ER Capt, and discount those below you who complain about stagnation, or even point out that apparent positive bids are not actually flowing down to the huddled masses. Do you have any remote idea how incredibly arrogant and insensitive it makes you sound to belittle those getting bumped out of base and off their aircraft as a result of the recent positive bids?
You don't think we should be allowed to look at an interesting result, a great positive capt bid that doesn't result in any movement of the bottom of the list, and ponder the reasons why, without you jumping in impugning our lack of enthusiasm while you cheerfully rake in $213 per hour work vs. our $130-140? It's quite easy to malign the concerns of the guy sitting in the back of the bus and not allowed in the restaurant, if you're the guy sitting in the front of the bus...
-- the absolute fact is that the positive gains in this last AE did NOT flow down to the bottom of the list.
-- I commented on that, and pointed out where the stop is and indeed that it was due to no backfill.
Apparently it bothers you when we folks at the bottom of the list, who have not moved upwards and indeed have moved BACKWARDS the last 4 AEs, all "positive" bids, point out that we are not in fact moving positively. You immediately jump in on the attack, talking nonsense like inferring I said anything resembling we should all jump off a bridge somewhere, or that the tone of my post was remotely that.
It's very easy to take the chipper high road while sitting as a 7ER Capt, and discount those below you who complain about stagnation, or even point out that apparent positive bids are not actually flowing down to the huddled masses. Do you have any remote idea how incredibly arrogant and insensitive it makes you sound to belittle those getting bumped out of base and off their aircraft as a result of the recent positive bids?
You don't think we should be allowed to look at an interesting result, a great positive capt bid that doesn't result in any movement of the bottom of the list, and ponder the reasons why, without you jumping in impugning our lack of enthusiasm while you cheerfully rake in $213 per hour work vs. our $130-140? It's quite easy to malign the concerns of the guy sitting in the back of the bus and not allowed in the restaurant, if you're the guy sitting in the front of the bus...
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