Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-08-2009, 04:58 PM
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09-08-2009, 05:00 PM
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That isn't the way negotiations work...Only DAL knows for sure the answer to this question...They will make you buy it whether or not that is the answer.
09-08-2009, 05:03 PM
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Of course, I am not privy to what developments are taking place as we speak, nor will I be until at least march, and maybe not at all. The overwhelming number of calls I have received have declared this #1. Polling will tell the true story, but "guaranteeing" that pay is #1 does not make you correct.
If a rep only responds to the emails and calls he gets he will not really be doing his job, especially in a monster council like ATL. The vocal minority really doesn't represent the group.
09-08-2009, 05:11 PM
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They can do that right now. Why would they want to cut these airplanes at DCI and then add them to mainline at a higher expense? That doesn't make any sense....ACL and others are fairly confident that Delta is going to reduce the DCI fleet...yet they also advocate using negotiating leverage to negotiate something they think is going to happen anyway...Doesn't make much sense.
I say make them put their money where their mouth is. Lower the 76 seat limit to current jets. Agree not to renew DCI lift contracts etc.
We are cutting the 50 seat jet. I say go for what you can. There will be a next gen 50 seater some time in the future that has economics that make sense. That is the reality. We need to plan for that this far out
09-08-2009, 05:14 PM
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I know I can't guarantee anything, that is why I qualified it. I have been around long enough to make an educated guess. If you get 40 calls, you have spoken with 1% of your council. A rep will almost always get contacted by people that have a very high investment in a certain issue. That is why the scientific polling is a much better view of your pilot's opinions. A rep should also get out there and seek out opinions rather than waiting for people to contact him. That way you can also hear from the "silent majority".
If a rep only responds to the emails and calls he gets he will not really be doing his job, especially in a monster council like ATL. The vocal minority really doesn't represent the group.
If a rep only responds to the emails and calls he gets he will not really be doing his job, especially in a monster council like ATL. The vocal minority really doesn't represent the group.
09-08-2009, 05:17 PM
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First, I do not see DAL parking DCI's 76 or 70 seat fleet. The issue is that they need more seats to pay for you. You have gotten to expensive Joe. That will put pressure of DALPA to up the seat limit, and or the 76 seat RJ count. They state that they do not want any more, that could be for a few reasons. One of them is good and the other one is not.
I say make them put their money where their mouth is. Lower the 76 seat limit to current jets. Agree not to renew DCI lift contracts etc.
We are cutting the 50 seat jet. I say go for what you can. There will be a next gen 50 seater some time in the future that has economics that make sense. That is the reality. We need to plan for that this far out
I say make them put their money where their mouth is. Lower the 76 seat limit to current jets. Agree not to renew DCI lift contracts etc.
We are cutting the 50 seat jet. I say go for what you can. There will be a next gen 50 seater some time in the future that has economics that make sense. That is the reality. We need to plan for that this far out
09-08-2009, 05:29 PM
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Were Chicago&Southern pilots selected to "Delta standards"? Were Northeast pilots selected to "Delta standards"? How about Western pilots? NWA? Compass?
ASA has never had a fatal crash that was caused by pilot error. I don't believe Skywest has either. Can Delta say the same thing?
ASA has never had a fatal crash that was caused by pilot error. I don't believe Skywest has either. Can Delta say the same thing?
One "standard" is being able to work with others. I do not know you, but such an inflammatory post suggests a lack of diplomacy, situational awareness and common courtesy expected amongst professionals who work in small cockpits flying on 15+ hour flights to remote spots around the World.
You are a senior Captain at ASA, right?
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09-08-2009, 05:42 PM
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Were Chicago&Southern pilots selected to "Delta standards"? Were Northeast pilots selected to "Delta standards"? How about Western pilots? NWA? Compass?
ASA has never had a fatal crash that was caused by pilot error. I don't believe Skywest has either. Can Delta say the same thing?
ASA has never had a fatal crash that was caused by pilot error. I don't believe Skywest has either. Can Delta say the same thing?
Many of our previous crashes have been industry changing events. Although very tragic and sad, we learned from them and have moved on. To polarize a group because of previous mistakes, is a party foul in my book. Yes, DAL and NWA has crashes ... and they try to hire to a very high standard. Human factors. Although tragic, there are other things to our jobs than flying airplanes.
Many of us want DAL paying passengers to fly on DAL jets that are flown by DAL crews. That way, we can control the product.
During the first day of my new hire class we were told "you were hired not only because of your safe record, but also because you have very high leadership experience and qualities and you are focuses on customer service. This is what we need at Delta."
It's about the customer service stupid.
09-08-2009, 06:06 PM
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Joe:
Many of our previous crashes have been industry changing events. Although very tragic and sad, we learned from them and have moved on. To polarize a group because of previous mistakes, is a party foul in my book. Yes, DAL and NWA has crashes ... and they try to hire to a very high standard. Human factors. Although tragic, there are other things to our jobs than flying airplanes.
Many of us want DAL paying passengers to fly on DAL jets that are flown by DAL crews. That way, we can control the product.
During the first day of my new hire class we were told "you were hired not only because of your safe record, but also because you have very high leadership experience and qualities and you are focuses on customer service. This is what we need at Delta."
It's about the customer service stupid.
Many of our previous crashes have been industry changing events. Although very tragic and sad, we learned from them and have moved on. To polarize a group because of previous mistakes, is a party foul in my book. Yes, DAL and NWA has crashes ... and they try to hire to a very high standard. Human factors. Although tragic, there are other things to our jobs than flying airplanes.
Many of us want DAL paying passengers to fly on DAL jets that are flown by DAL crews. That way, we can control the product.
During the first day of my new hire class we were told "you were hired not only because of your safe record, but also because you have very high leadership experience and qualities and you are focuses on customer service. This is what we need at Delta."
It's about the customer service stupid.
09-08-2009, 06:18 PM
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Yes someone did insult ASA pilots...It is common place to imply that ASA, CMR, or Skywest pilots are not of the same quality, and that we don't meet the same high "standard" as Delta pilots. If you make that attack, be prepared to have that attack countered.
You do know me, and we both worked on RJDC issues when you were at ASA....Honesty is another standard that you just failed.
I didn't attack the Delta "standard" until the pilots at my carrier were attacked by not meeting the same "standard"....and to think that you once defended the same things you now attack...
You do know me, and we both worked on RJDC issues when you were at ASA....Honesty is another standard that you just failed.
I didn't attack the Delta "standard" until the pilots at my carrier were attacked by not meeting the same "standard"....and to think that you once defended the same things you now attack...
There is a reason why most civilian pilots start their careers are DCI. It is what it is. Stop talking up the DCI world like it is the end all be all of aviation flying and that it is a last stop career job. There is a marked difference between the two and you know it. You are hired help, and we're slowly getting to the point where a lot less of you are required. That sucks because people are going to lose jobs and no compassionate individual would want that. However, its either you or us .. and I'm voting for us. Sorry.
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