Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-08-2009, 03:55 PM
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Alfa, thanks for including me with the likes of ACL, Bar, and that ole Tomcat. Those guys are the gold standard when it comes to reasoned informed discussion. Answers like yours above are what we in the "town halls" are looking for. A well supported argument delivered in a measured reasoned way can go a long way towards gathering a majority.
I too lament the personalization and demonization of individuals. It seems that certain people have a real hard on for LM and some others. It makes me wonder if they have another agenda.
I totally agree with the business approach of our MEC. I also think that the economics of DCI have changed to make us more competitive for that segment of lift. But how are we ever going to know if our MEC won't look at the issue or publish the results?
As for pay being more important than scope, I agree it is probably foremost on most pilot's minds but I'm with ACL, it is short sighted. Without a strong section 1, the rest don't mean nut'in. Besides, I don't want to be paid the most, I want to be paid the longest. Time value of money.
BTW, for the record its Satch_ip. Can't put underscores in screen names.
I too lament the personalization and demonization of individuals. It seems that certain people have a real hard on for LM and some others. It makes me wonder if they have another agenda.
I totally agree with the business approach of our MEC. I also think that the economics of DCI have changed to make us more competitive for that segment of lift. But how are we ever going to know if our MEC won't look at the issue or publish the results?
As for pay being more important than scope, I agree it is probably foremost on most pilot's minds but I'm with ACL, it is short sighted. Without a strong section 1, the rest don't mean nut'in. Besides, I don't want to be paid the most, I want to be paid the longest. Time value of money.
BTW, for the record its Satch_ip. Can't put underscores in screen names.
09-08-2009, 04:01 PM
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Why are you "happy" that there is less Saab regional feed? Are the Saab's taking your flying? Are they not helping to fill your mainline airplanes?
09-08-2009, 04:04 PM
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It has to do with the fact that the CR9 still has a long lease term on it, and the sabb can be parked for a lower cost. It also has to do with the fact that it is the low hanging fruit on the WO portfolio. The other DCI contracts can be cut, but it will start late next year.
09-08-2009, 04:08 PM
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The issue most DL pilots would have with this is that they would consider DOH for non revving as a windfall for you, (the ASA pilots.). Since you are currently behind them now as S3Cs, anything which puts a bunch of people in front of them would be viewed as a bad thing. Don't forget the ex-ASA ramp/CSR people that transferred over. They were not allowed to keep DOH for their benefits. I think that they would have an issue with it too.
09-08-2009, 04:24 PM
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As for pay being more important than scope, I agree it is probably foremost on most pilot's minds but I'm with ACL, it is short sighted. Without a strong section 1, the rest don't mean nut'in. Besides, I don't want to be paid the most, I want to be paid the longest. Time value of money.
BTW, for the record its Satch_ip. Can't put underscores in screen names.
BTW, for the record its Satch_ip. Can't put underscores in screen names.
This is just my humble opinion because I have no surveys to back up my thoughts. Your reps will have Wilson polling numbers but I don't think they usually make them public.
Sorry for the name goof up. I get it now.
09-08-2009, 04:32 PM
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Who said anything about RJ limits? I personally don't want to limit any aircraft at Delta. I want GH to unleash the thunder with whatever he needs. It is who sits in the front of those airplanes that matters.
09-08-2009, 04:36 PM
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09-08-2009, 04:47 PM
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They can do that right now. Why would they want to cut these airplanes at DCI and then add them to mainline at a higher expense? That doesn't make any sense....ACL and others are fairly confident that Delta is going to reduce the DCI fleet...yet they also advocate using negotiating leverage to negotiate something they think is going to happen anyway...Doesn't make much sense.
09-08-2009, 04:48 PM
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Just to be clear, I don't think pay is more important than scope, I also don't think scope is more important than pay. It is just that I feel that the Delta pilots as a group, given a contract survey right now, would put more emphasis on improving pay rather than improving scope. I also feel that there would be very high support for no more concessions on scope. It is just given a choice of fighting for recovering 76 seat flying or pay raises, pay raises would win hands down. I think the DC-9 replacement would be a strike issue.
This is just my humble opinion because I have no surveys to back up my thoughts. Your reps will have Wilson polling numbers but I don't think they usually make them public.
Sorry for the name goof up. I get it now.
This is just my humble opinion because I have no surveys to back up my thoughts. Your reps will have Wilson polling numbers but I don't think they usually make them public.
Sorry for the name goof up. I get it now.
I can only speak for myself, but with regard to a couple of your posts, I don't believe that Delta is hoarding excess pilots out of the goodness of their heart. Nor are they because of their outstanding balance sheet. They are doing it because they have to, because we finally got some effective furlough protection language, and they are planning on a neutral schedule next summer from this summer with more stringent pilot requirements on the former-north side.
I give our current MEC all of the credit in the world for the last merger, and have done so on numerous occasions. At the same time, the "additional 6 seats" given away will come back to haunt us, IMO. That aircraft type has the potential to be a common type rating with aircraft over 200 seats, again IMO. That is MASSIVE savings in training costs, acquisition costs, "regional" pilot costs, etc as more and more of those aircraft come online. Additionally, the larger of these aircraft are going to become more and more numerous in our "1 way code share" and will eventually be operated more and more against us by the time we can cut RAH loose. Those two driving factors will be enormously played against us come 2012, IMO--especially considering the age of the -9s, the -88s with no real aircraft that Delta wants even on the drawing boards.
Of course there are many issues which need attention. The TCAS is full of blips today all of which need careful consideration. Pay is a biggie, securing retirement is another. Sick time is a consideration often overlooked. Work rules are in there. Depending on health care developments, insurance may be gigantic. They are all there white and yellow, but scope is causing an RA on my TCAS.
Of course, I am not privy to what developments are taking place as we speak, nor will I be until at least march, and maybe not at all. The overwhelming number of calls I have received have declared this #1. Polling will tell the true story, but "guaranteeing" that pay is #1 does not make you correct.
I do not see us relenting any further either, but I definitely want to make sure we use every available means to ensure that and recapture at every opportunity.
One guy's opinion.
09-08-2009, 04:57 PM
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Because management teams come and go. We the employees stay. History has proved that. You know this and I do not need to tell you this.
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