Tomcat

Is it down from 2000 when we were doing the majority of the flying into Montana? See, to me it's about your frame of reference. If you look back over one year the picture appears so much different than if you look back over 10. Look at the trends. The MidWest, a.k.a RAH EMB-190 sitting at terminal 4 in LAX yesterday scares the mess out of me. That's a trend that I don't like........

Tomcat

Slowplay,
We are all unique in our circumstances, but I bridge two groups. I only have 10-15 years left in my career if I stay healthy. I pay particular attention in my preparation for retirement. VERY Important to me.

At the same time, I'm 25% from the bottom of the seniority list, so Scope is important. Overall the most important thing to me is career earnings at this point. Until we stabilize the flying that we are outsourcing through section one, Scope will be the issue that has the most effect on my career earnings and I would dare say for most of us on the bottom half of the list.

As a side note, as a FO in LAX, I'm flying with new Captains everyday. They all came from the 767 as Captains. Moving backwards, we are...... Now we give more flying to Alaska out of LAX. Why did we even bother to start a 73N catagory in LAX, "one of the four corner post"?

Every one has explanations of why we outsource our flying, but why is it we don't get arguments to "insource" our flying?

slowplay

Thanks for sharing your emotions with us.

Can you point to an emotional pilot group that has a better record? (Hint, you can't). That doesn't mean that someday there might be a group that is successful with loud whining. I haven't seen it yet. btw, this administration is getting trashed over "weak scope" when, with the exception of the 1113 produced LOA 51, it has done nothing but tighten scope that was loosened in previous agreements. But thanks again for sharing your emotions rather than facts!

The team with too much emotion generally overpursues and easily falls for "deceptive" plays. See, I can use sports analogies too!

georgetg

let's see:

Widebodies departing London City Airport = 0
The runway at London City airport is 3543 ft

International flights arriving at domestic gates in NY = 0
The pax clear US customs in Shannon where the 318 needs to refuel anyway.

Flight Number is BA1
No riffraff, this is the Concorde "replacement" flying...

Cheers
George

Tomcat

Your level of condensention never fails to amaze me. I guess it shouldn't, as I've learned this is what I should expect from my union, disrespect for it's memberships voices.

Bucking Bar

Boyd says real data is tracking just below his baseline forecast for future flying. He writes not to expect a turn around until late in the 3rd qtr 2010. Like me, he thinks we need to watch jobs reports and unemployment as indicators of where passenger travel is headed.

He also thinks the "quality" of travel is very important. Delta's network gives us an edge against operators which primarily serve the leisure markets and smaller point to point networks.


Again, if the stars do align and we make it through this without furloughs ... I'll be pleasantly amazed.

DAWGS

Exception of 1113, well there is a big exception! That should have never come to a vote. Emotion is tied to motivation (i'll be happy to provide the root word derived from if you would like) and there is lack of it as it relates to Scope with this administration.

The team who falls for "deceptive" plays is not well coached and their emotion is not properly "channeled".

I didn't say "whine", I said emotional. Whose to say some of the greatest strides in aviation haven't occured because of emotion. I would argue the beginnings of our union were created by a group of ****ed off pilots. I would also argue that their emotion was properly "channeled" not whining. Forget pilots. Look at Labor movements. Pick up a history book. (Hint: It's a book about emotional people.)

I'm not letting you define the argument.

Bucking Bar

Nevermind ... Airliners.net has prevented us from doing silly things with their pictures.

alfaromeo

Could you list the many times this administration has caved on scope? If there are so many then it should be easy. Go back and look at the agreements signed since bankruptcy. Every one that has dealt with scope has been a step forward for the pilots, every single one.

You say we desperately need a new administration, but the current administration was elected in January. 2009. Lee Moak ran unopposed for chairman.

Your anger is a pretty immature reaction. We are actually managing quite well through a very difficult time in the industry. Our performance is way above any other legacy pilot group. Negotiations are a business transaction, if you get emotional you will make mistakes. If you are selling your house, would you be impressed by a buyer who screams insults at you and gets angry in a negotiation. Why do you think that would work in any other business transaction?

You say scope should not ever be negotiated not even in 1113. If you are serious about that remark then you have zero credibility. In 1113 everything is on the table no matter what you hope for, that is the nature of bankruptcy. Read up on federal bankruptcy law and come back with some facts that back up your assertion that things are "off the table" in 1113.

I don't know your history, but you sound like a junior pilot that is rightly concerned because the economy is going in the tank and you are vulnerable to furlough. We get it. Probably the only reason you are not facing furlough right now is because the business first attitude of this MEC has created a reservoir of good will for pilots. By allowing this merger to be a success, the company has enough attitude and money to hold onto a large surplus of pilots through a difficult time. Look at what is happening at other carriers that practice emotionalism and you will not see a similar reaction. The forward looking strategy that we have followed has set us up to lead the industry in this consolidation game. We are already ahead of LCC and whatever shakes up this winter/spring will be much more messy than Delta/Northwest.

While I understand your angst, I don't understand your reaction. You are a grown up now and you can't act out like a teenager anymore. I know this seems condescending but really you are not presenting a very mature face here. This is business.

Bucking Bar

True, people can lose perspective.

Delta ordered most of these jets prior to September 11th, 2001.

Both the claims that scope was sold as a result of September 11th and as a result of bankruptcy can be disputed using public documents.

My personal opinion is that many pilots are frustrated the negotiating agenda that brought us here has not changed. Many pilots are actively seeking restoration.

Perhaps a more fair statement would be "Our MEC has done an excellent job with our merger. We see potential to restore flying to Delta Air Lines pilots and wish to be informed what objective steps are being taken to achieve that goal."

We need to watch what happens to Compass. For those wanting to know if there has been any change ... "there's your sign."

Sorry, just found the Blue Collar Comedy Channel on the sat radio. Get ready for many redneck metaphors until the new wears off.