buzzpat

I beg to differ. You don't have to be a manager or executive to be a salaried employee, regardless of the industry. Virtually every other profession has salaried employees. The hourly wage thing has always been an issue with me. I know why the airline industry does it. Doesn't make it right. If you require college degrees and years of training, you should be salaried. Just like every other non-aircrew employee at DAL.

Elliot

Wow PD. You have it all figured out. That's exactly what happened. "The negotiators were shown confidential pie charts, & swindled over the company's use of some $5 buzz words." (No offense Buzzpat.) The very reason why we only received an 4/8.5/3/3 raise.

Dude, why did we need any negotiators at all last time. You could've done it single-handedly!!

Being an hourly wage earner & acting like one, are two separate dealss. I never said we were managers, but why not tie more of our pay increases to the successes of the company like they do. (Theoretically we could've received the same 42% pay raise when Richard received his?) I don't want to be a Pilot Manager for the company, not do I have the schooling to be an Executive, but I'm sick of fighting each 3-5 years for an "hourly rate increase" (100%) when the Managers are receiving increases throughout that period based on the company success, given to then by the BOD.

We don't need to be executives/managers. Just paid like them, absent the $$/hour.

Elliot

YES, YES, YES!!!^^^^^^^^

Pay attention Purple. Buzzpat writes books for a living, he's a sharp tool! Plus, he's probably the only author who has worked for a previous & future POTUS!!

GJ

P.S. What's the scoop on her Buzz? Hill is way more ruthless than Bill, right?

pilotc90a

That is what I said in the sentence right before the one you bolded. Maybe I should have said Significant off the street hiring ... He also raised the possibility of an adjustment to the hiring numbers mid stream which would change the ratio of flows verses off the street.

I have no personal inside knowledge regarding the official plan, except what I was told. I, more than most can't wait for significant new hires to start rolling in!

80ktsClamp

Someone forgot to switch gearjerk to decaf today I see...

buzzpat

OH yeah! Not even close. Next book is underway. It's all about Hill.

Elliot

Coffee doesn't help my marathon preparation, only single malt Scotch gives me the boost I need.

DALMD88FO

Gearjerk,

While I don't agree, with purple, that we could have gotten 25% each year pay raises, I do believe we should have gotten much more.

Giving back a part of our profit sharing, that we already paid once for in letter 51, was a real special kind of stupid. The only reason the company wanted that back was so they could go to the other employee groups and take it from them. That is their problem not ours. To say that we would have gotten even less of percentage raises than 3% the last two years without giving it back is rich to say the least.

This has been the same cycle for the almost 14 years I've been here. It's time to negotiate, well it's time to manufacture some immediate reason the company needs something or else we lose.

My bet for the 2015 negotiations is widebody orders. They will need relief from FAR 117, JV, code share or large RJ's and the carrot will be a widebody order that will make every pilot on the seniority list salivate.

Just my take/opinion

NuGuy

Who is the greater fool? The fool? Or the fool who follows him?

Nu

Elliot

I agree with you. The old adage, "two wrongs, don't make a right."

So, Purple Drank & I are both fools, but he's still buying the first beer if we ever cross paths.

GJ