johnso29

I heard a rumor of this over a year ago, so I'm wondering if it's really an issue.

Elliot

I think if this gubmint shutdown thingy goes past Oct. 17th, which very well may happen, not having Feds to Cert. the 717 & the Pacific LOA are going to be the LEAST of our worries. READ: Govt. tailspin.

GJ

P.S. Not a "sky is falling" type of guy, but things are seriously broken inside the beltway.

Carl Spackler

This is pure academic nonsense. Our previous scope required 316 slots to be operated by Delta out of NRT. And as the MEC letter stated in its very first paragraph: "The MEC was informed by the company several months ago that it would no longer be in compliance with Section 1.E.2 of the Pilot Working Agreement..." Not: "hey guys we're foreseeing a problem down the road so lets talk." Just a letter to our union saying Delta will no longer be in compliance with Section 1.

Any protections you think you see in this LOA needs to be read in the context of being notified that Delta will no longer be in compliance with our Section 1.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Or our union could simply say: "The MEC was informed by the company that it would no longer be in compliance with Section 1 of the Pilot Working Agreement..."

Carl

Et tu Bluto

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forgot to bid

What you said. I think. I don't know about the Spirit flying part.

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Sink r8

No it didn't. Which was the problem.

I'm still not 100% sure I like some aspects of this LOA, and I definitely think we should have spent a little time getting to know it before a MEMRAT validation. But what you said is incorrect, and it goes to the heart of the matter: there was no guarantee of 316 slots. There was just a requirement to maintain that level in order to maintain beyond Japan codeshares. Which weren't all that numerous.

I'll leave it to everyone to judge for themselves whether this LOA is good enough in terms of new protections, but there is no doubt that we really didn't have anything of any significance protecting NRT flying under the previous language.

The problem I see is that this LOA might lower the bar on our share of the flying, and perhaps offer opportunities to sign up for new codeshares to fund the loss. The 100 seat restrictions to China/Taiwan/Korea that Johnso mentioned are ludicrous. How often would we have anything near 100 pax connecting on a partner?

hitimefurl

The section only applies to 5th freedom codeshare onwards from Japan to Japan/China/Korea only. Neither GUM nor SPN would be allowed to go to codeshare would they as they aren't 5th freedom because they are U.S. territories right?

"passenger seats on any Fifth Freedom flight segment between Japan and Asian cities beyond Japan..."

The new language protects flying from GUM to other Japanese and Asian cities that bypasses NRT. There are already examples of bypassing NRT on Delta metal. HNL-KIX is upgrading from 763 to 744 next summer. HNL-FUK is a service that remains. Both bypass Tokyo and are supporting own routes that would have connected through Tokyo or had ability to codeshare through NRT.

I don't see how the beach markets have anything to do with 5th Freedom codeshare from NRT to Japan/China/Korea? ROR isn't owned by any of those....?

buzzpat

Agreed! It's a train wreck and has been for awhile. That's why I write.