Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-05-2013, 07:15 PM
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My UGA grad wife was happy, but had UGA lost she'd only been unhappy for about 30 seconds. I envy that. BTW, how many 4th downs did UT convert with relative ease it seemed?!?
Oh by the way
And I still think Oregon is #1 by a long shot.
10-05-2013, 07:28 PM
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I kind of feel it was one of those "not enough evidence to overturn". Had the REF said fumble, okay, fumble and a touchback. But call it a TD, I say let the guy argue he was holding on to the tip as it crossed and let it go. just imho.
And I still think Oregon is #1 by a long shot.
And I still think Oregon is #1 by a long shot.
As much as I hate the PAC 10/12/14, whatever, I agree with Oregon as #1.
10-05-2013, 07:43 PM
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The strangest replay call I saw this week though was the Iowa St vs Texas game when the guy snatched the ball from the Texas running back and then the whistle blew and then they reviewed and said his moment was stopped before but they hadn't blown the whistle.
I just think if you don't know for sure, you let it go.
10-05-2013, 08:06 PM
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So there's a new airline coming out of PHF flying 734s?
10-05-2013, 08:30 PM
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If you read the crew resources newsletter, they are not going to backfill 75/76 FO positions that are vacated on future bids. This is not new news. They have said this the last couple of bids and say it will continue.
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10-06-2013, 12:10 AM
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10-06-2013, 02:12 AM
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I posted an analysis of the no movement or backwards movement of narrow bodies out west from last AE before. Here's the critical part-- not backfilling 7ER FO position means good deals and upwards movement stop above 7ERFO... nothing for the bottom guys again.
Wow. 100% vacancy AE, lots of CAPT positions awarded. No movement out west, much of the "goodness" of this AE was illusory due to not backfilling guys who got the CAPT slots.
But the reality is different, and the hidden truth here is almost always ignored-- positions at the top (capt) don't mean DIDDLY SQUAT for most of the list if the FO positions that fill them are not BACKFILLED. If the high-end FO positions just shrink and shrink, well the "good deals" just don't ripple downwards do they?
All CAPT positions will end up one way or another flowing "through" the 7ER category--no matter who first fills the CAPT spot, with the meat of the senior F/O list at the company in the 7ER the created vacancies WILL flow through that category. If you just shrink that category and never backfill those spots, guess what? ALL CAPT VACANCIES GOODNESS STOPS WITH THE SENIOR F/Os on the 7ER!
But the reality is different, and the hidden truth here is almost always ignored-- positions at the top (capt) don't mean DIDDLY SQUAT for most of the list if the FO positions that fill them are not BACKFILLED. If the high-end FO positions just shrink and shrink, well the "good deals" just don't ripple downwards do they?
All CAPT positions will end up one way or another flowing "through" the 7ER category--no matter who first fills the CAPT spot, with the meat of the senior F/O list at the company in the 7ER the created vacancies WILL flow through that category. If you just shrink that category and never backfill those spots, guess what? ALL CAPT VACANCIES GOODNESS STOPS WITH THE SENIOR F/Os on the 7ER!
10-06-2013, 03:50 AM
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Question for ACL,
I just read the council 20 update on the PAC loa. There were a couple comments in there that got my radar up...again.
1. Council 20 guys wanted to have this loa go out for MEMRAT, but said they were in the minority. What is the general sense among reps and MEMRAT. IMO, it was improper that this loa not be a MEMRAT loa.
2. They mention an actual lack of protections except "generic" codeshare protections on the new loa and the removal of a couple of the limits on codeshare. How does this protect dal pilot jobs?
3. Hub issues aside, with the questionable long term future of the 757, they were concerned about the beach market loss and outsourcing of that flying...again, how does this protect dal pilot jobs?
Personally, I thought both 80s explanation of how NRT slots were the "chicken" and Alfa's explanation of how block hours were the "egg" (or vice versa) was pretty acceptable for covering the range of pacific flying, there is now apparently a significant lack of language protecting us from a flex down in pacific flying.
Why the rush? (To weaken language)
Why the lack of interest in MEMRAT?
I just read the council 20 update on the PAC loa. There were a couple comments in there that got my radar up...again.
1. Council 20 guys wanted to have this loa go out for MEMRAT, but said they were in the minority. What is the general sense among reps and MEMRAT. IMO, it was improper that this loa not be a MEMRAT loa.
2. They mention an actual lack of protections except "generic" codeshare protections on the new loa and the removal of a couple of the limits on codeshare. How does this protect dal pilot jobs?
3. Hub issues aside, with the questionable long term future of the 757, they were concerned about the beach market loss and outsourcing of that flying...again, how does this protect dal pilot jobs?
Personally, I thought both 80s explanation of how NRT slots were the "chicken" and Alfa's explanation of how block hours were the "egg" (or vice versa) was pretty acceptable for covering the range of pacific flying, there is now apparently a significant lack of language protecting us from a flex down in pacific flying.
Why the rush? (To weaken language)
Why the lack of interest in MEMRAT?
10-06-2013, 05:18 AM
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You can be sure of this regarding the PAC loa: It reflects exactly what the company's future plans regarding this operation are, from the standpoint of what's in the LOA and what isn't in it.
MEMRAT or no MEMRAT, the company will get their way with DALPA, that's a natural fact. The 757 and eventually the 767 sunset means that the 'sweet deal' of having pilots fly over to Japan, then fly interport will go away. They'll either have to base a different aircraft type over there and deadhead pilots to it (hugely inefficient), or simply code share it away. Guess what this agreement allows them to do? Second, I think the writing's on the wall about Narita vs. Haneda. The Japanese don't want U.S. airlines hubbing on their island any more. When the slot allocations are complete, we'll be lucky if we can serve Haneda from our hubs in the U.S. with slot times that are remotely convenient. Overfly is the name of the game and it's coming. This LOA is proof of that, and gives the company plenty of leeway in achieving both the shutdown of the NRT hub and the ramp up of long haul flying to Asia. 2015 is when it starts to happen. The 757's will be more than half gone, the 330-3's will come online to free up the 777's to do deep Asia. I doubt we'll serve MNL or BKK from the mainland U.S. due to low yields, and you'll see GUM, SPN, and ROR over to code share. My guess is a lot more pax through ICN to those destinations on Korean Air. The point is that LOA's are more about what the company wants to achieve without giving us anything meaningful in return. (An interim pay raise would have taken the sting out of it) Sure we have a floor on block hours, and it's more than we had. But in no way does this LOA protect us from anything the company has planned for the Pacific, any more than it hinders them from executing that plan.
There's also a huge 'gotcha' in this LOA which I'm surprised nobody has mentioned. "Block Hours" are far lower in this theater than "Credit Hours". Even the most efficient interport trips have maybe 20 percent credit for the trip. So that's all lost in a puff of smoke... and it's gonna hurt more than people realize.
MEMRAT or no MEMRAT, the company will get their way with DALPA, that's a natural fact. The 757 and eventually the 767 sunset means that the 'sweet deal' of having pilots fly over to Japan, then fly interport will go away. They'll either have to base a different aircraft type over there and deadhead pilots to it (hugely inefficient), or simply code share it away. Guess what this agreement allows them to do? Second, I think the writing's on the wall about Narita vs. Haneda. The Japanese don't want U.S. airlines hubbing on their island any more. When the slot allocations are complete, we'll be lucky if we can serve Haneda from our hubs in the U.S. with slot times that are remotely convenient. Overfly is the name of the game and it's coming. This LOA is proof of that, and gives the company plenty of leeway in achieving both the shutdown of the NRT hub and the ramp up of long haul flying to Asia. 2015 is when it starts to happen. The 757's will be more than half gone, the 330-3's will come online to free up the 777's to do deep Asia. I doubt we'll serve MNL or BKK from the mainland U.S. due to low yields, and you'll see GUM, SPN, and ROR over to code share. My guess is a lot more pax through ICN to those destinations on Korean Air. The point is that LOA's are more about what the company wants to achieve without giving us anything meaningful in return. (An interim pay raise would have taken the sting out of it) Sure we have a floor on block hours, and it's more than we had. But in no way does this LOA protect us from anything the company has planned for the Pacific, any more than it hinders them from executing that plan.
There's also a huge 'gotcha' in this LOA which I'm surprised nobody has mentioned. "Block Hours" are far lower in this theater than "Credit Hours". Even the most efficient interport trips have maybe 20 percent credit for the trip. So that's all lost in a puff of smoke... and it's gonna hurt more than people realize.
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10-06-2013, 05:41 AM
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Your analysis is kind of a worst case scenario, but your logic is sound.
One can ususally figure out where management is going by looking where there is money to be made. Japan is worse than most other places when it comes to legacy costs. As a new'ish LCC, Skymark's CASM is only about half of ANA and 2/3rds of JAL. This makes the tie up highly attractive and Delta can make money from codeshare by charging fees to facilitate the codeshare (Skymark lacks the IT infastructure and needs Delta's help) and commissions on sales (Delta is the much larger brand).
Still the question is "or else." Had we not modified our contract NRT's market would continue to do whatever it will continue to do. Delta will not operate it at a loss for long (and I understand it makes money and will continue). By structuring the LOA as they did we are much more broadly protected against worst case scenarios and we facilitate both overflights and continuing widebody Asia flying to connect.
The bigger question is what the market will do when Haneda opens further and how many of those slots we recieve.
One can ususally figure out where management is going by looking where there is money to be made. Japan is worse than most other places when it comes to legacy costs. As a new'ish LCC, Skymark's CASM is only about half of ANA and 2/3rds of JAL. This makes the tie up highly attractive and Delta can make money from codeshare by charging fees to facilitate the codeshare (Skymark lacks the IT infastructure and needs Delta's help) and commissions on sales (Delta is the much larger brand).
Still the question is "or else." Had we not modified our contract NRT's market would continue to do whatever it will continue to do. Delta will not operate it at a loss for long (and I understand it makes money and will continue). By structuring the LOA as they did we are much more broadly protected against worst case scenarios and we facilitate both overflights and continuing widebody Asia flying to connect.
The bigger question is what the market will do when Haneda opens further and how many of those slots we recieve.
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