Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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Don't know if we are getting keyboards. They are claiming 10 hour battery life... under what circumstances I don't know. Lots of potential there, let's see if DL can execute a decent tech rollout or if we'll be dealing with balky crapware and overly rigid device protocols.
Based on Delta's tech history, we are probably in for the latter.
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Alright, since we're talking block hours I wanted to go back to this post from a few days ago (mind you it's discussing the 76-seater problem and not NRT) but that ain't no thing:
Okay, here's a question about that ^^
Say you have 50 763ERs flying 1 leg per day that's 8.1 +/- 0 hours per day, how many pilots do you by rule need flying the jets?
But all of a sudden the 2012 crowd is smarter than the 2008 crowd and block hour ratios trumps fleet count. Unless you're trying to get me to vote yes on TA 2012, then 88 717s = 1000-1400 pilot jobs no matter how many block hours they fly but at the same time fleet counts don't matter just block hours or...
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Okay, here's a question about that ^^
Say you have 50 763ERs flying 1 leg per day that's 8.1 +/- 0 hours per day, how many pilots do you by rule need flying the jets?
8.1 > 8.0, so you need 3 pilots per jet x 50 jets = 150 pilots.
Now let's increase the block hours by a random number like 46.914% or 47%. It'd be an increase of 69,000 block hours per year, 190 per day and it works out to be 11.9 +/- 0 hours per day/leg/crew. How many pilots do you need? 11.9 > 8 but < 12, you need 3 pilots per jet x 50 jets = 150 pilots.
So a 47% increase in block hours per day and per year yield... 0 additional pilots needed. 8.1 > 8, 3 pilots per jet x 51 jets = 153 pilots.
So while a 47% increase in block hours gave you a 0 increase in pilots required, 1 jet gave you an increase of 2%. If it was Delta staffing a 765, it'd be like 25 pilots per jet. 1 jet matters. But all of a sudden the 2012 crowd is smarter than the 2008 crowd and block hour ratios trumps fleet count. Unless you're trying to get me to vote yes on TA 2012, then 88 717s = 1000-1400 pilot jobs no matter how many block hours they fly but at the same time fleet counts don't matter just block hours or...
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88 717's do equate to that many pilot POSITIONS, just not additional jobs. Details, details.
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We aren't growing yet. Thusfar we've only been told we're planning on growing. When I see blue suits and red ties on VA Avenue, I may think otherwise. At this point, all I've seen is bypass guys senior to me coming back (Not complaining... happy to see them coming back) Today all I see is an LOA that leads to less Delta pilots flying Delta passengers being unconvincingly sold as a "win". I also see a significant change to the bedrock section of our CBA that was signed, sealed, and delivered with zero input from the average line pilot. Even if we do hire, which I think we will, I firmly believe this LOA will eventually shrink our seniority list. I went back and looked at my last paycheck from 2012. My ALPA dues were $1950.33. At least now I know what the exact price of failure is.
I waited until I read the LOA, like you suggested to another poster. I've renewed my card. I think most of us are sick and tired of listening to failures at the negotiating table being passed off as wins while we are patted on the head and told to trust the people who know what's best for us.
I waited until I read the LOA, like you suggested to another poster. I've renewed my card. I think most of us are sick and tired of listening to failures at the negotiating table being passed off as wins while we are patted on the head and told to trust the people who know what's best for us.
Does that have anything to do with...
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We aren't growing yet. Thusfar we've only been told we're planning on growing. When I see blue suits and red ties on VA Avenue, I may think otherwise. At this point, all I've seen is bypass guys senior to me coming back (Not complaining... happy to see them coming back) Today all I see is an LOA that leads to less Delta pilots flying Delta passengers being unconvincingly sold as a "win". I also see a significant change to the bedrock section of our CBA that was signed, sealed, and delivered with zero input from the average line pilot. Even if we do hire, which I think we will, I firmly believe this LOA will eventually shrink our seniority list. I went back and looked at my last paycheck from 2012. My ALPA dues were $1950.33. At least now I know what the exact price of failure is.
I waited until I read the LOA, like you suggested to another poster. I've renewed my card. I think most of us are sick and tired of listening to failures at the negotiating table being passed off as wins while we are patted on the head and told to trust the people who know what's best for us.
I waited until I read the LOA, like you suggested to another poster. I've renewed my card. I think most of us are sick and tired of listening to failures at the negotiating table being passed off as wins while we are patted on the head and told to trust the people who know what's best for us.
Why don't you explain how this LOA leads to less Delta pilots flying less Delta passengers?
Also, according to the bid monitor report the number of pilots required at our airline went from 9081 with 10,579 pilots in category (16.5% above required) in January 2013 to 9933, with 10,542 pilots in category (6.1% above required). That's an increase of 852 pilots required in 9 months.
Why don't you explain how this LOA leads to less Delta pilots flying less Delta passengers?
Also, according to the bid monitor report the number of pilots required at our airline went from 9081 with 10,579 pilots in category (16.5% above required) in January 2013 to 9933, with 10,542 pilots in category (6.1% above required). That's an increase of 852 pilots required in 9 months.
Also, according to the bid monitor report the number of pilots required at our airline went from 9081 with 10,579 pilots in category (16.5% above required) in January 2013 to 9933, with 10,542 pilots in category (6.1% above required). That's an increase of 852 pilots required in 9 months.
I mean the same amount of pilots are doing the work of more people?
Rounding numbers...
Guy 1: I require 9100 pilots!
Guy 2: Okay, if you want that many then I need 10,600 pilots to make it work.
Guy 1: Hey, change that, I now need 9900 pilots!
Guy 2: Okay, well, since TA 2012 kicked in (see EB on productivity pays for pay raise) I can make that work with 10,500 pilots, 100 less than before.
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Alright, since we're talking block hours I wanted to go back to this post from a few days ago (mind you it's discussing the 76-seater problem and not NRT) but that ain't no thing:
Okay, here's a question about that ^^
Say you have 50 763ERs flying 1 leg per day that's 8.1 +/- 0 hours per day, how many pilots do you by rule need flying the jets per day?
Okay, how about this, how about add 1 additional jet, to the fleet of 50, flying 8.1 +/- 0 hours per year. How many pilots do you need at a minimum now?
But all of a sudden the 2012 crowd is smarter than the 2008 crowd and block hour ratios trumps fleet count. Unless you're trying to get me to vote yes on TA 2012, then 88 717s = 1000-1400 pilot jobs no matter how many block hours they fly but at the same time fleet counts don't matter just block hours, please standby as we twist ourselves into a
HND ++++
Okay, here's a question about that ^^
Say you have 50 763ERs flying 1 leg per day that's 8.1 +/- 0 hours per day, how many pilots do you by rule need flying the jets per day?
8.1 > 8.0, so you need 3 pilots per jet x 50 jets = 150 pilots.
Now let's increase the block hours by a random number like 46.914% or 47%. It'd be an increase of 69,000 block hours per year, 190 per day and it works out to be 11.9 +/- 0 hours per day/leg/crew. How many pilots do you need?11.9 > 8 but < 12, you need 3 pilots per jet x 50 jets = 150 pilots.
So a 47% increase in block hours per day and per year yields... 0 additional pilots needed. Okay, how about this, how about add 1 additional jet, to the fleet of 50, flying 8.1 +/- 0 hours per year. How many pilots do you need at a minimum now?
8.1 > 8, 3 pilots per jet x 51 jets = 153 pilots.
So while a 47% increase in block hours gave you a 0 increase in pilots required, 1 jet gave you an increase of 2%. If it was Delta staffing a 765, it'd be like 25 pilots per jet. 1 jet matters. But all of a sudden the 2012 crowd is smarter than the 2008 crowd and block hour ratios trumps fleet count. Unless you're trying to get me to vote yes on TA 2012, then 88 717s = 1000-1400 pilot jobs no matter how many block hours they fly but at the same time fleet counts don't matter just block hours, please standby as we twist ourselves into a
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Why don't you explain how this LOA leads to less Delta pilots flying less Delta passengers?
Also, according to the bid monitor report the number of pilots required at our airline went from 9081 with 10,579 pilots in category (16.5% above required) in January 2013 to 9933, with 10,542 pilots in category (6.1% above required). That's an increase of 852 pilots required in 9 months.
Also, according to the bid monitor report the number of pilots required at our airline went from 9081 with 10,579 pilots in category (16.5% above required) in January 2013 to 9933, with 10,542 pilots in category (6.1% above required). That's an increase of 852 pilots required in 9 months.
If you can believe in your heart of hearts that this loa somehow protects you and your future, that's fine. Slots do not equal block hours and block hours do not equal jobs except in one snapshot in time.
This thing is in the history books. It's only written in pencil anyway. Any line pilot that isn't freaked out by the assault on our scope clause that is constant and continuous needs to have his head examined.
Looking forward to the next scope cave in that is spun as a win.
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