Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-25-2013, 04:00 PM
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140,000 and hopefully counting.
There are complaints on the ALPA forum about more enforcement of the TOS, and some seem to be saying that a wholesale shutdown is on its' way. No idea if any of it is true (the forum seems to be working fine), but if it is, this little oasis of underboob and (mostly) civil discussion might get run over.
On a very bad day, APC is ten times more pleasant than what the Hangar Talk has become. What felt like low points in the discourse, might be looked back upon fondly as "the good old days".
I hope this doesn't get turned into that, but if it does, and the L&G turns into a East-West style death match before it dies, I just want to say that I've enjoyed this thread with you guys very much. Who knew people would be more respectful of one another when anonymous?
Here is to hoping it stays a worthwhile place; let's not make uncle Ferd have to come in and fix this once again.
Sincerely,
Sink r8
On a very bad day, APC is ten times more pleasant than what the Hangar Talk has become. What felt like low points in the discourse, might be looked back upon fondly as "the good old days".
I hope this doesn't get turned into that, but if it does, and the L&G turns into a East-West style death match before it dies, I just want to say that I've enjoyed this thread with you guys very much. Who knew people would be more respectful of one another when anonymous?
Here is to hoping it stays a worthwhile place; let's not make uncle Ferd have to come in and fix this once again.
Sincerely,
Sink r8
09-25-2013, 04:03 PM
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316 slots per week at NRT was in our contract. Now it's not.
85% is now in our contract per this LOA. Will it be there next year? Who knows. Thus it's no guarantee. Forcing our company to fly unprofitably above the 85% threshold is something our pilot group will never force management to do. You must know that.
Carl
85% is now in our contract per this LOA. Will it be there next year? Who knows. Thus it's no guarantee. Forcing our company to fly unprofitably above the 85% threshold is something our pilot group will never force management to do. You must know that.
Carl
09-25-2013, 04:04 PM
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I said our language protected us. It protected us by not allowing the company to slowly dismantle NRT flying and replace it with code share. It did this by requiring the company to operate 316 slots per week out of NRT or code share immediately became illegal per our contract.
Carl
Carl
09-25-2013, 04:08 PM
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316 slots per week at NRT was in our contract. Now it's not.
85% is now in our contract per this LOA. Will it be there next year? Who knows. Thus it's no guarantee. Forcing our company to fly unprofitably above the 85% threshold is something our pilot group will never force management to do. You must know that.
Carl
85% is now in our contract per this LOA. Will it be there next year? Who knows. Thus it's no guarantee. Forcing our company to fly unprofitably above the 85% threshold is something our pilot group will never force management to do. You must know that.
Carl
Forcing the company to fly 316 slots unprofitably is something you could force them to do?
09-25-2013, 04:13 PM
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09-25-2013, 04:32 PM
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I can not for the life of me understand how someone junior (so you say) would look at any of these agreements and say it's a win. We are losing more flying, that means less pilots. Just because there was some sort of perceived "no floor" doesn't mean that signing off on 85% is a "win". Gross.
Look at the feet. When was the last time we ended up with more pilots in December than we started with in January. All while "winning" all these scope agreements.
Look at the feet. When was the last time we ended up with more pilots in December than we started with in January. All while "winning" all these scope agreements.
When was the last time you saw a need for an increase of pilots required of nearly 100/month?
09-25-2013, 04:34 PM
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I truly don't want to say this, but if this doesn't end up like you are saying/recommending, I am probably going to renew my card. There have been just too many instances where I have to ask myself "why do we even have a union?"
If scope is just simply negotiable, I am not interested in playing. As a relatively middle of the roader, I think I'm not alone. All of the arguments to the contrary are pointless.
I truly don't want to say this, but if this doesn't end up like you are saying/recommending, I am probably going to renew my card. There have been just too many instances where I have to ask myself "why do we even have a union?"
If scope is just simply negotiable, I am not interested in playing. As a relatively middle of the roader, I think I'm not alone. All of the arguments to the contrary are pointless.
09-25-2013, 04:39 PM
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316 slots per week at NRT was in our contract. Now it's not.
85% is now in our contract per this LOA. Will it be there next year? Who knows. Thus it's no guarantee. Forcing our company to fly unprofitably above the 85% threshold is something our pilot group will never force management to do. You must know that.
Carl
85% is now in our contract per this LOA. Will it be there next year? Who knows. Thus it's no guarantee. Forcing our company to fly unprofitably above the 85% threshold is something our pilot group will never force management to do. You must know that.
Carl
Either side can play that game Carl.
09-25-2013, 04:53 PM
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09-25-2013, 04:56 PM
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