boog123

I can not for the life of me understand how someone junior (so you say) would look at any of these agreements and say it's a win. We are losing more flying, that means less pilots. Just because there was some sort of perceived "no floor" doesn't mean that signing off on 85% is a "win". Gross.

Look at the feet. When was the last time we ended up with more pilots in December than we started with in January. All while "winning" all these scope agreements.

Bucking Bar

Buzz,

Agreed. The Act failed to address costs, even the low hanging fruit:
- Clearly stated pricing up front
- 50 State reprocity for healthcare professionals
- Remove the exemptions to Anti Trust (anti-competitive) rules that govern every other business
- Address the issue of these "non-profit" hospitals which are not "non profit" at all

Bucking Bar

Boog,

Your frustration is understandable. We will however have more pilots in December 2014 than January 2014.

What little bit I understand about this LOA does not lend itself to internet sound bytes. I think we are all going to have to read the comm article that comes out and evaluate how this works in different markets.

johnso29

85% of current Asia PAC flying is LESS then 316 slots at NRT? Slots that are simply drawn down by cancelling a code share that equates to roughly 5000 passengers per year? 182,750 block hours is LESS then 116,000 block hours? You do fuzzy math.

We've been merged now for almost 5 years. Did you expect that a transaction that was designed to take the best of two airlines would result in immediate growth? When has that ever occurred? UAL is going through the exact same thing. So is SWA. AA/Us Air will as well. Stop trying to blame it on ALPA.

The last contract set us up for growth. And it's happening. Hiring has begun. A WB/NB order had been placed. B717s & B737s are being delivered. Those are positive items. The good pieces are falling into place.

jabwmu

On reserve, schedule is marked as "FULL". Can I still pick up a greenslip?

This is 4th month this summer I've flown over guarantee (without greenslips). Six years on reserve I've never gone over guarantee once. Thank you C2012 and AVL + 15

FmrFreightDog

Check your inbox, the spin piece is out.

orvil

Now, THIS is my idea of America's Cup:

Carl Spackler

By your non-response to your initial question of leverage, I take it we've at least cleared that up. Leverage didn't apply to us because it was management asking for something...not us.

OK, here goes. I didn't say our language guaranteed anything. I said our language protected us. It protected us by not allowing the company to slowly dismantle NRT flying and replace it with code share. It did this by requiring the company to operate 316 slots per week out of NRT or code share immediately became illegal per our contract. It didn't require management to always operate 316 slots per week no matter what. It tied management's ability to code share to the 316 slot requirement. It was smart because we all know requiring our company to operate X amount of flying even if it is unprofitable is a recipe for disaster. It hurts us as employees as much as it hurts the company. The key was tying code share to the slots. It protected our jobs from slowly being code shared away. Again, not guarantee...protection. Moot point however because that's gone now.

I reject the entire premise of this management-speak about how important code share is. There is no evidence whatsoever that code share has helped Delta pilots one bit. The empirical data I see is Delta pilots losing flying to code share partners while they gain. That's the net/net I see. DALPA's spin notwithstanding, code shares have done nothing but help management. It helps them by spreading risk of having only one pilot group fly their brand. As unionized employees, I always thought we were supposed to be protected from that type of Darwinism by having exclusivity as to who flies our company brand. Southwest pilots have that. We used to have it. I want it back because therein lies our ultimate leverage and our ultimate strength as an employee group. As long as we allow this selling of our jobs for the latest JV, code share, RJ replacement stuff, we'll continue to have less and less strength. And as long as we all continue to parrot the latest managment buzzwords and experiments, we may as well not have a union.

I think we need a new acronym at Delta for our union. UINO (Union In Name Only).

Carl

Carl Spackler

Exactly right.

Carl

Carl Spackler

316 slots per week at NRT was in our contract. Now it's not.

85% is now in our contract per this LOA. Will it be there next year? Who knows. Thus it's no guarantee. Forcing our company to fly unprofitably above the 85% threshold is something our pilot group will never force management to do. You must know that.

Carl