The 321's aren't being acquired to fly JFK-west coast unless the business model changes from now to then. The reason for the smaller first class cabin, 20 seats, is supposedly because the 757's being kept on & getting interior overhauls are also going to smaller first class cabins - 20 seats.

I've heard that they'll be increasing the 757s to 199 seats.

09-25-2013, 08:55 AM

#140482

Josephus

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Jan 2009

Position: Right Seat

Posts: 136

Quote:

Originally Posted by newKnow

Fellas,

I'm sure the moderators have allowed this discussion on health care and insurance to continue because:

1.) It is an issue that affects us as Delta pilots, &
2.) We have kept it a respectful discussion. (So far.)

I bet it could continue if we remained respectful by:

1.) Not name calling, &
2.) Not acting like the person who disagrees with your opinion is an idiot.

Now, I'm not one to be lectured to on how the world works and I'm sure none of you want to be directed to, or set straight, either. Let's take the emotion out if it.

I can assure you that all that bluster and hatred for "the other guy" the politicians we vote for spout is all for show. Let's not imitate their act and have a thoughtful discussion. We all might learn something.

I'm off to work. I hope it's still here when I land.

Couldn't agree more.

09-25-2013, 08:57 AM

#140483

johnso29

Moderator

Joined APC: Oct 2006

Position: B757/767

Posts: 13,088

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free Bird

Time to re-up the DPA card.

So you have no details of the LOA, but you'll just re-up the DPA card?

09-25-2013, 09:17 AM

#140484

Purple Drank

Straight QOL, homie

Joined APC: Feb 2012

Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator

Posts: 4,202

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotFrog

Would love to see a victory over anything associated with Emirates!

09-25-2013, 09:22 AM

#140485

Purple Drank

Straight QOL, homie

Joined APC: Feb 2012

Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator

Posts: 4,202

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herkflyr

Now I want you to join the negotiating committee and adopt the tactic of barge into room/pound fist on table/demand, demand, demand/collect lots of $ from the company and accolades from the pilots.

Voila, as simple as that.

Once again, an ALPA surrogate lowering expectations and carrying the company's water.

09-25-2013, 09:29 AM

#140486

johnso29

Moderator

Joined APC: Oct 2006

Position: B757/767

Posts: 13,088

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoomiezombie

Okeedookie. So, we agree that it's not 5th freedom flying per the section in question. Why is Carl throwing the Skymark towel in?

Because his argument has no teeth, and he knows it. So he brings the smoke and mirrors.

09-25-2013, 10:08 AM

#140487

bigbusdriver

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Jul 2011

Posts: 273

Quote:

Originally Posted by scambo1

Why was this LOA which, IMO, was negotiated over a period of time done in such secrecy? Why were we not educated on the nuance by our CBA? Why was there no MEMRAT?

Quote:

Delta agreed to commence negotiations to preserve long haul international Trans-Pacific flying in lieu of the current NRT slot requirement provisions.

If you have a Facebook account you can read the 66 update from last night. There's no mention of Skymark or dedicated codeshares and talks specifically about reducing 5th freedom codeshare out of Japan from existing limits. Skipping the MEMRAT discussion for now there's been a 3 month window open with exact language and exact block hours in which you had time to discuss this. The block hour graph looks pretty clear to me. NRT stable to neutral and PAC flying growing. I attended lounge dog and pony show and heard the same thing Scoop heard. The new 330s are for PACRIM flying which probably isn't good news for the ER guys.

09-25-2013, 10:16 AM

#140488

Timbo

Runs with scissors

Joined APC: Dec 2009

Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .

Posts: 7,730

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbusdriver

Quite simply disagree. My reps (66) have been in the lounge (yes, weekends) since the 3 page document came out from the MEC (in JUNE!) explaining, not in general terms, but in explicit terms exactly which paragraph in the PWA was the issue and what could be gained from it. Potentially. I'd say that 3 months and the ability to see and speak with reps is as clear as this LOA could be.

From the MEC update link

If you have a Facebook account you can read the 66 update from last night. There's no mention of Skymark or dedicated codeshares and talks specifically about reducing 5th freedom codeshare out of Japan from existing limits. Skipping the MEMRAT discussion for now there's been a 3 month window open with exact language and exact block hours in which you had time to discuss this. The block hour graph looks pretty clear to me. NRT stable to neutral and PAC flying growing. I attended lounge dog and pony show and heard the same thing Scoop heard. The new 330s are for PACRIM flying which probably isn't good news for the ER guys.

On that last sentence, the A330 pays more than the 767Er, right? So how is it a bad thing? If the A330's are Growth, the ER guys can upgrade and get a pay raise. If the 330's are replacements, one for one, of the older ER's, the ER guys will STILL be able to upgrade, for a pay raise.

I don't see the downside for the ER guys when we are getting more, higher paying, airframes.

09-25-2013, 10:31 AM

#140489

nwaf16dude

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Jan 2008

Position: 737A

Posts: 1,890

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purple Drank

Would love to see a victory over anything associated with Emirates!

Got to see part of the races on a long SFO Layover on Sunday. I was truly amazed at how fast those things are! You just don't get a good feel for it watching on TV.