Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-24-2013, 05:20 PM
Gets Weekends Off
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Dude, he pushed, paid off, and bullied one party into passing what 70% + of this country does not want. He OWNS it. If your health care plan sucked before, you could say that, but the fact is it sucks more now, will suck even more as HIS plan is implemented and that is something that his party has to take responsibility for. People are tired of his excuses, and those who make excuses for him.
09-24-2013, 05:24 PM
The Brown Dot +1
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HIS party did own Healthcare reform. There was a National referendum on it...called an Election. He won, again....get over it. Interesting factoid: Red States, predominately hot beds of Redneck, uneducated beer swilling Tea Partiers stuck on Faux News are projected to overwhelmingly sign up for Healthcare when the exchanges open. Height of hypocracy on display. But wait, let's schedule a 44th or 45th vote to repeal it. Or shut the government down or default on our debt....that'll learn 'em! Continue down the path of obstructionism and the Teapublictards will never will a national election again.
Eventually, Atlas will shrug and handouts will end because the debt is unsustainable.
Completely apolitical and no names called.
09-24-2013, 05:27 PM
Can't abide NAI
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Carl,
I provided input to my Reps on this flying. I did not get what I wanted either.
Business is compromise. That's the reason the fundamentalist Muslim World is an economic basket case.
I could post my input and I'm sure it would win some web board acclaim. Folks would give me a lot of internet high five action ... but ... our Reps and Negotiators have to actually get work done with a party who's goals are the nearly the exact opposite of yours and mine.
My Reps (I think) voted for this LOA and I think they made the right call. If they wanted to make a protect vote on principle, they could have without negatively effecting the outcome. Still, with all the information they voted in the affirmative. Those who voted no (if anyone did) I am sure properly represented their pilots too ... we would all like more, better, tighter.
I provided input to my Reps on this flying. I did not get what I wanted either.
Business is compromise. That's the reason the fundamentalist Muslim World is an economic basket case.
I could post my input and I'm sure it would win some web board acclaim. Folks would give me a lot of internet high five action ... but ... our Reps and Negotiators have to actually get work done with a party who's goals are the nearly the exact opposite of yours and mine.
My Reps (I think) voted for this LOA and I think they made the right call. If they wanted to make a protect vote on principle, they could have without negatively effecting the outcome. Still, with all the information they voted in the affirmative. Those who voted no (if anyone did) I am sure properly represented their pilots too ... we would all like more, better, tighter.
09-24-2013, 05:27 PM
The Brown Dot +1
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Scambo,
Well look at it this way. Narita scope was 316 slots. That's some of our Pacific flying. We now have scope on all of our Pacific flying.
Would you rather own half a pie, or, would you rather own 85% of a pie which is twice the size?
Council 60 published that Narita was 116,000 block hours. Asia PAC is 214,000. If the choice is THIS or THAT, then I want 85% of the pie that is nearly twice as large and growing.
Well look at it this way. Narita scope was 316 slots. That's some of our Pacific flying. We now have scope on all of our Pacific flying.
Would you rather own half a pie, or, would you rather own 85% of a pie which is twice the size?
Council 60 published that Narita was 116,000 block hours. Asia PAC is 214,000. If the choice is THIS or THAT, then I want 85% of the pie that is nearly twice as large and growing.
What I want is irrelevant.
I think I'll have a handful of captain peanutbutter crunch.
09-24-2013, 05:28 PM
Straight QOL, homie
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09-24-2013, 05:29 PM
Back on TDY
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That's what happens when you make decisions based on fear of the unknown. Your adversary can easily move you at will by offering up the latest scare tactic. The ALPA of Dave Behncke wouldn't have been moved by such transparent scare tactics. The new ALPA is...and it shows.
And it still was. Right up until the time DALPA gave it away without MEMRAT for nothing in return.
It did no such thing because the Japanese government tightly controls who gets a HND slot and what time of the day/night that slot is.
A wrong and unresponsive comment that does nothing but excuse getting steamrolled by fear tactics. No different than our TA being pushed on us with the comment of: "you definitely won't like what Delta's Plan B is if you vote NO." And of course that comment didn't come from management, it came from our union. Not that there's a difference.
Carl
And it still was. Right up until the time DALPA gave it away without MEMRAT for nothing in return.
It did no such thing because the Japanese government tightly controls who gets a HND slot and what time of the day/night that slot is.
A wrong and unresponsive comment that does nothing but excuse getting steamrolled by fear tactics. No different than our TA being pushed on us with the comment of: "you definitely won't like what Delta's Plan B is if you vote NO." And of course that comment didn't come from management, it came from our union. Not that there's a difference.
Carl
09-24-2013, 05:29 PM
Can't abide NAI
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09-24-2013, 05:32 PM
Can't abide NAI
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There will be a Negotiator's Notepad or some other form of communication which gives us something to discuss objectively. Until then, gentlemen.
09-24-2013, 05:32 PM
Gets Weekends Off
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We have planes we fly them places. We have a contract that theoretically has protections. If dal wants to fly more to haneda than to Narita, that's their choice. They lose a code share partner. If they want to keep the codeshare partner, they fly to Narita. They can add haneda when the lightning fast network guys sort it out.
If they want to expand the codeshare with their partner outside those parameters, we have leverage.
If they want to pull out of Narita altogether to prove they are tough, they'll be on the street tomorrow. If they can expand haneda, I'm behind them 100 percent.
It's only a zero sum game if we give up slots to enable them a greater option to codeshare.
09-24-2013, 05:33 PM
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