Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-24-2013, 04:55 PM
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Actually, it's not Bar. You've done nothing recently but defend ALPA/DALPA outsourcing of our jobs. You used to be a scope hawk, not anymore.
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09-24-2013, 05:00 PM
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I felt that way after reading about Pinnacle's bargaining and even more so when it was defended by national ... but ... the long view, what makes sense for this profession and what makes sense for Delta pilots is to stay. ALPA very clearly represents our best short and long term interests.
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09-24-2013, 05:01 PM
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The 1.E.2.d restriction on codesharing applies to Japan, not just NRT.
If they don't fly 316 slots at NRT, they can't do a 5th Freedom codeshare out of any airport anywhere in Japan.
See above. They have to fly the 316 NRT slots if they want to do a 5th freedom codeshare.
09-24-2013, 05:02 PM
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09-24-2013, 05:04 PM
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Carl,
I've not heard a cogent "or else" plan for Japan.
At the time the NRT deal appeared to be solid scope. Opening HND changed that. The cheese got moved.
I've not heard a cogent "or else" plan for Japan.
At the time the NRT deal appeared to be solid scope. Opening HND changed that. The cheese got moved.
09-24-2013, 05:05 PM
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With all due respect, you don't believe that any more than I do.
I don't know what's in the loa, I haven't gotten the email yet that says it passed, I'm not making an emotional argument or building a straw man.
We have planes we fly them places. We have a contract that theoretically has protections. If dal wants to fly more to haneda than to Narita, that's their choice. They lose a code share partner. If they want to keep the codeshare partner, they fly to Narita. They can add haneda when the lightning fast network guys sort it out.
If they want to expand the codeshare with their partner outside those parameters, we have leverage.
If they want to pull out of Narita altogether to prove they are tough, they'll be on the street tomorrow. If they can expand haneda, I'm behind them 100 percent.
It's only a zero sum game if we give up slots to enable them a greater option to codeshare.
09-24-2013, 05:10 PM
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Dude, he pushed, paid off, and bullied one party into passing what 70% + of this country does not want. He OWNS it. If your health care plan sucked before, you could say that, but the fact is it sucks more now, will suck even more as HIS plan is implemented and that is something that his party has to take responsibility for. People are tired of his excuses, and those who make excuses for him.
09-24-2013, 05:11 PM
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09-24-2013, 05:15 PM
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Bar,
With all due respect, you don't believe that any more than I do.
I don't know what's in the loa, I haven't gotten the email yet that says it passed, I'm not making an emotional argument or building a straw man.
We have planes we fly them places. We have a contract that theoretically has protections. If dal wants to fly more to haneda than to Narita, that's their choice. They lose a code share partner. If they want to keep the codeshare partner, they fly to Narita. They can add haneda when the lightning fast network guys sort it out.
If they want to expand the codeshare with their partner outside those parameters, we have leverage.
If they want to pull out of Narita altogether to prove they are tough, they'll be on the street tomorrow. If they can expand haneda, I'm behind them 100 percent.
It's only a zero sum game if we give up slots to enable them a greater option to codeshare.
With all due respect, you don't believe that any more than I do.
I don't know what's in the loa, I haven't gotten the email yet that says it passed, I'm not making an emotional argument or building a straw man.
We have planes we fly them places. We have a contract that theoretically has protections. If dal wants to fly more to haneda than to Narita, that's their choice. They lose a code share partner. If they want to keep the codeshare partner, they fly to Narita. They can add haneda when the lightning fast network guys sort it out.
If they want to expand the codeshare with their partner outside those parameters, we have leverage.
If they want to pull out of Narita altogether to prove they are tough, they'll be on the street tomorrow. If they can expand haneda, I'm behind them 100 percent.
It's only a zero sum game if we give up slots to enable them a greater option to codeshare.
Carl
09-24-2013, 05:18 PM
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Scambo,
Well look at it this way. Narita scope was 316 slots. That's some of our Pacific flying. We now have scope on all of our Pacific flying.
Would you rather own half a pie, or, would you rather own 85% of a pie which is twice the size?
Council 60 published that Narita was 116,000 block hours. Asia PAC is 214,000. If the choice is THIS or THAT, then I want 85% of the pie that is nearly twice as large and growing.
Well look at it this way. Narita scope was 316 slots. That's some of our Pacific flying. We now have scope on all of our Pacific flying.
Would you rather own half a pie, or, would you rather own 85% of a pie which is twice the size?
Council 60 published that Narita was 116,000 block hours. Asia PAC is 214,000. If the choice is THIS or THAT, then I want 85% of the pie that is nearly twice as large and growing.
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