Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-24-2013, 11:22 AM
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09-24-2013, 11:25 AM
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09-24-2013, 11:27 AM
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The 330's that have been purchased are not going to SEA. I heard it from the "horses" mouth. The 777 is going to be used for the SEA expansion. I don't know if it can go non stop to SIN and BKK ( Timbo, Scambo?) but am highly doubtful. What I was told is the 330's are going elsewhere.
BKK or SIN from SEA it would be no problem. JNB to ATL is about 7800 miles, Bombay to ATL was a little more I think and we were doing that all the time. I was told the 777LR can connect any two cities on the planet nonstop. I know it caries over 21 hours of fuel on board, multiply that by about 480kts true and that's about 10,000 miles nonstop.
09-24-2013, 11:31 AM
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No I am not saying that at all. But what I seem to hear from those that are dissatisfied with the current group is an all or nothing stance. It doesn't work that way. So I will again ask the question about this particular situation: Will you support dALPA if they say no and the company pulls down flying, or will you be screaming from the rafters that we weren't represented properly?
09-24-2013, 11:33 AM
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09-24-2013, 11:34 AM
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What's the highest 777 ETOPS time now? I know Air New Zealand has 330 minutes ETOPS on their 777-300ERs! 
09-24-2013, 11:35 AM
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No I am not saying that at all. But what I seem to hear from those that are dissatisfied with the current group is an all or nothing stance. It doesn't work that way. So I will again ask the question about this particular situation: Will you support dALPA if they say no and the company pulls down flying, or will you be screaming from the rafters that we weren't represented properly?
My perspective is the company is going to do what they want. DALPA will always find a way to accommodate that. Whether or not I agree with it is apparently irrelevant.
09-24-2013, 11:38 AM
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I quit thinking suspicious thoughts about this stuff a long time ago. We have to start thinking like investors and businessmen instead of union thugs. Look at today's news for example. There is a Bloomberg article about DAL and VA aligning flights and terminals from JFK to LHR. What did DAL stock do? (crossed $24/share earlier in the day) Wall Street is paying attention to DAL. We are fighting a 2000s style union "war", and we have an alternative group that wants to send us back to the 1940s. JMHO, YMMV, but I do know that DAL stock is treating me pretty well these days... Business is dynamic, not static. Grow or die. Being a member of the investment class is what awaits us when we retire whether or not you want to believe it, so getting a leg up on that concept now will make the transition much much easier, and far more lucrative.
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I quit thinking suspicious thoughts about this stuff a long time ago. We have to start thinking like investors and businessmen instead of union thugs. Look at today's news for example. There is a Bloomberg article about DAL and VA aligning flights and terminals from JFK to LHR. What did DAL stock do? (crossed $24/share earlier in the day) Wall Street is paying attention to DAL. We are fighting a 2000s style union "war", and we have an alternative group that wants to send us back to the 1940s. JMHO, YMMV, but I do know that DAL stock is treating me pretty well these days... Business is dynamic, not static. Grow or die. Being a member of the investment class is what awaits us when we retire whether or not you want to believe it, so getting a leg up on that concept now will make the transition much much easier, and far more lucrative.
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You are a 767 captain who is looking to retire in the next 10 years. It's great that you can look forward to being part of the investment class.
But, you should consider that there are a lot of pilots on our list who are looking at making half of what you make during that time and aren't afforded the opportunity to look at the world through investor colored glasses. For them, the best investment they can make is to insure they upgrade to captain as soon as possible and make sure the company or the union does nothing to slow them to that goal.
Just something to consider....
09-24-2013, 11:40 AM
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09-24-2013, 11:41 AM
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And 85% over 0% is what?
Because there are still unknown variables. No one is claiming the Asia landscape is not changing. ALPA is confusing land as soon as possible with land as soon as practical. We are diverting and having someone else take our pax onward. Almost literally.
Thought we had at least ten years
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Not at all. I simply see us having more time than getting it done yesterday, this is as good as we'll get, 85% gain in Asia flying. Take a few deep breaths. All the company did was say we weren't going to be in compliance. We offered this up and now it's the typical spin on how we saved the world and careers of DAL pilots.
Nothing of the sort, it's simply not worthy of a Red Emergency. Thank you for your usual polite rational.
Let me know your talking points for when they start displacing off the wide bodies and it waterfalls throughout the seniority list while we loose all the beach markets and total system block hours remain constant but DAL pilots are flying 15% less.
Because there are still unknown variables. No one is claiming the Asia landscape is not changing. ALPA is confusing land as soon as possible with land as soon as practical. We are diverting and having someone else take our pax onward. Almost literally.
Thought we had at least ten years
?Not at all. I simply see us having more time than getting it done yesterday, this is as good as we'll get, 85% gain in Asia flying. Take a few deep breaths. All the company did was say we weren't going to be in compliance. We offered this up and now it's the typical spin on how we saved the world and careers of DAL pilots.
Nothing of the sort, it's simply not worthy of a Red Emergency. Thank you for your usual polite rational.
Let me know your talking points for when they start displacing off the wide bodies and it waterfalls throughout the seniority list while we loose all the beach markets and total system block hours remain constant but DAL pilots are flying 15% less.
So for us, we can either watch the code shares go away or try to get something for allowing them to continue. We have no block hour protection now. 85% will be an improvement. It is just people like you try to frame it as if we are "giving up" 15% which is flat out wrong. For Delta, this is ceding some amount of control over their capacity. There is no way they will lock in at 100% because that would give them no options if Fukushima blows up or if Godzilla attacks Tokyo or whatever crazy thing is the next to happen.
It comes down to a simple trade. Is it worth it to Delta to cede some control over their capacity (85%) in order to keep the code shares? How much more would they give for 15 pax a day in a system that is now over 150,000,000 per year?
For us is it worth it to allow the code shares to continue in order to have some backstop protections in the Pacific, protections we do not have today?
So you can frame it as "what do I say when all the wide bodies go away" and that is not an emotional argument, but if I correct your misrepresentation of the new protections it is emotional. Got it. For everyone else, realize that both sides have options, not just us, and you need to weigh each sides options with the plusses and minuses of each path. All this emotional baggage is just political BS and does nothing to help analyze which choice is best for us.
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