Vikz09

Well I hope this is not a sign of things to come. Today Delta and Virgin Atlantic received their approval to begin the JV. The result 7 daily flights from NYC-LHG... of those 7 flights, Delta gets 3 (its sad that every time I see a code share or JV, I just assume we will be on the short end)

Adding salt into the wound, the Vikings charter to London for Sunday's game is not on the official airline of the Vikings, rather it's on our new subsidiary Virgin Atlantic. The hits just keep coming!

#not holding out hope we improve our pacific language

80ktsClamp

My rep says there's a lot of good stuff in it, so we'll see... I'm getting no indications it'll be put out for memrat, though.

Sink r8

OK, then we'll see. I did suggest to my reps that if it's only the trade discussed above, they ought to send it to the membership. If there is more on the table, then we're working with a different set of circumstances.

Check Essential

Excellent post. Let the pilots decide this one.

But wait --
The problem is that the DALPA poobahs want to concede. You know, be "constructive".
I think they're afraid the rank and file pilots might not.

FlyZ

Remember, YOU are the face of this company, the ones interacting with our customers, directly responsible for making our operation such a success!" When we choose to use you...

alfaromeo

They currently can flex down 100% of what have now. So, is limiting the flex down to that 15% an improvement or a concession? What is the penalty to Delta if they stay below the NRT slot floor? Is that penalty worse than what is negotiated in the LOA? You are trying to compare this deal against the perfect deal. If you stick to comparing it to what we have in our contract now, you will find your answer.

By the way, this assumes the people with no integrity that leaked this information are correct. I don't know what's in this deal other than these rumors.

Justdoinmyjob

Before the JV, how many flights did Delta from JFK to LHR? How many did VA have? From the way it was told to me, initially, they get to keep their flights and we get to keep ours. Going forward, flights are added on a one to one basis.


Yeah, no gonna lie, that does suck. Just imagine how torqued off all those senior cat ranchers who bid NFL charters are.



They can't even get the day going, they're so crushed.

Sink r8

No kidding. I'm often guilty of speculating on the first rumors that come out. The problem is, the first rumors come way earlier than they used to, and done maliciously. They're set up to manipulate opinion.

What I wonder is this: say the MEC is facing a quasi-turd sandwich, and would in fact send the negotiators back in, nice and quiet, and get something a little better, like say an additional 1.5%, 1%, 1%, 1%. No deal is final until signed by the MEC, but no sweetener might be available after a leak. If I was on the company's side, I'd close the shop as soon as the leak occurs.

I've often wondered if this theory is plausible, and whether our leaks actually cost us real money.

I don't see how they can be good for us, in any case. A MEC that leaks is not a good sign, unless you're negotiating against the pilots. Someone is seriously [deleted] this pilot group, routinely, to their advantage.

80ktsClamp

I don't think the 100% argument is a good one. They won't do that, obviously. Losing the codeshare is some leverage... it's not great, but it's some. Think about a 15% pulldown in the pacific, though. That's massive cascading displacements running down our seniority list.

Like I've said, I'll wait to see what's actually in it. Hopefully I'll get a vote, but probably not.

alfaromeo

Well your arguments are just emotional pap. You try to compare is to some emergency in the aircraft. This has been going on for months now, how does that seem to be an emergency response to you? If I had an engine fire, I would probably deal with it before several months had expired so what exactly is your point? If we wait another 180 days, how does the situation change?

It could easily take more than a decade to transition out of NRT. Apparently, your position is to wait until we are way behind the power curve until you do something about it. The fact is that NRT is evolving, the whole world knows it, yet your position is to stick your head up your butt and pretend that nothing is changing. So rather than protect 85% of our Pacific flying you will make Delta lose 15 passengers per day. How many passengers do they fly per day? What percentage of that is 15?

Sorry, this is not a helmet fire. This sounds like you are sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting out loud sounds hoping the world stays the same. Let me know how that works out for you. How well has the worked in the past for you?