Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-21-2013, 08:43 AM
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On Jan. 16, 1966, a B-52G—call sign Tea 16—departed Seymour Johnson AFB, N.C. The crew completed two refuelings and an orbit near Turkey. Refueling No. 3, on Jan. 17, was their last act.
For some reason, the bomber was a little too fast. The KC-135’s boom struck the B-52’s longeron, and the left wing of the bomber snapped off.
Four nuclear weapons were released. Three of the bombs fell with the B-52 wreckage near the village of Palomares on Spain’s Mediterranean coast. The first was located near the beach. Another dug deep into a tomato field, while the third landed near a cemetery. The dirt dampened the plutonium, which escaped from the damaged bombs. USAF teams raced to dig the bombs out and haul away tons of radioactive dirt.
For some reason, the bomber was a little too fast. The KC-135’s boom struck the B-52’s longeron, and the left wing of the bomber snapped off.
Four nuclear weapons were released. Three of the bombs fell with the B-52 wreckage near the village of Palomares on Spain’s Mediterranean coast. The first was located near the beach. Another dug deep into a tomato field, while the third landed near a cemetery. The dirt dampened the plutonium, which escaped from the damaged bombs. USAF teams raced to dig the bombs out and haul away tons of radioactive dirt.
The fourth bomb, however, was missing. The US Navy sent more than 30 ships and the submersible vessel Alvin to scour the sea floor. Finally, 11 weeks after the accident, USS Petrel lifted the fourth Mk 28 aboard just before 8 a.m. on April 7. 
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09-21-2013, 09:10 AM
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Having spent some time nursing Y bombs,[Think Germany 60-61] If the human switch ain't flipped, they are just pig iron dropped among the folks, unlike A- weapons which had explosive dets. Leakage, yes, but controllable. Not so with the likes of a MK-7 A- weapon. Ahh,the atomic age...
09-21-2013, 09:20 AM
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Our guys said the EXACT same thing too during the roadshows. A portion of the profit sharing was being monetized as pay rates. This is nothing new.
09-21-2013, 10:23 AM
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so if we hadn't gone for a reduction in profit sharing then the pay raise wouldve been less... ouch.
09-21-2013, 10:24 AM
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09-21-2013, 11:15 AM
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When you consider that only 3 or 4 of the last 13 years have been profitable, it seems an okay trade. You are now getting that 5% profit sharing reduction, in the full amount, guaranteed every year.
But both of you already know this. Let's just whine a little more about something that the pilot group ratified...
Carry on with your pessimistic pep rally guys - the sky is falling!
09-21-2013, 11:24 AM
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You guys are acting like this is some revelation. It has been widely acknowledged that about 2% of the 4/8.5/3/3 was monetized profit sharing.
When you consider that only 3 or 4 of the last 13 years have been profitable, it seems an okay trade. You are now getting that 5% profit sharing reduction, in the full amount, guaranteed every year.
But both of you already know this. Let's just whine a little more about something that the pilot group ratified...
Carry on with your pessimistic pep rally guys - the sky is falling!
When you consider that only 3 or 4 of the last 13 years have been profitable, it seems an okay trade. You are now getting that 5% profit sharing reduction, in the full amount, guaranteed every year.
But both of you already know this. Let's just whine a little more about something that the pilot group ratified...
Carry on with your pessimistic pep rally guys - the sky is falling!
Now again for me pay was trumped by scope, but I'm in a minority there, but 4/8.5/3/3 was below a lot if not most expectations with a profitable company. Can't imagine what the number was before we sold scope and borrowed from profit sharing to get it up to 4/8.5/3/3
09-21-2013, 11:57 AM
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How do we figure 2% was monetized if profit sharing is a variable? Is it just 2% if Delta goes to a $3 and $3.5B profit while raises hold at 3%?
Now again for me pay was trumped by scope, but I'm in a minority there, but 4/8.5/3/3 was below a lot if not most expectations with a profitable company. Can't imagine what the number was before we sold scope and borrowed from profit sharing to get it up to 4/8.5/3/3
Now again for me pay was trumped by scope, but I'm in a minority there, but 4/8.5/3/3 was below a lot if not most expectations with a profitable company. Can't imagine what the number was before we sold scope and borrowed from profit sharing to get it up to 4/8.5/3/3
FTB,
All due respect, but can you once again clearly explain to me how we sold scope? Scope was improved at the DCI level... Shoulda or woulda, " we can make mgt do this or that"were not options to vote on...Voting no was the only option and dealing with HUGE unknowns..... I have a lot of heart burn about the last contract... But DCI scope was not one of them... IMHO we tightened a lot of the DCI scope up... an rj is an rj.... 50 76 seats does not matter they were here they could have had more!!! Less DCI aircraft with less DCI pilots flying less Delta passengers....
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09-21-2013, 11:59 AM
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FTB,
All due respect, but can you once again clearly explain to me how we sold scope? Scope was improved at the DCI level... Shoulda or woulda were not options to vote on... I have a lot of heart burn about the last contract... But DCI scope was not one of them... IMHO we tightened a lot of up... an rj is an rj.... 50 76 seats does not matter they were here they could have had more!!! Less DCI aircraft with less DCI pilots flying less Delta passengers....
FIIG
All due respect, but can you once again clearly explain to me how we sold scope? Scope was improved at the DCI level... Shoulda or woulda were not options to vote on... I have a lot of heart burn about the last contract... But DCI scope was not one of them... IMHO we tightened a lot of up... an rj is an rj.... 50 76 seats does not matter they were here they could have had more!!! Less DCI aircraft with less DCI pilots flying less Delta passengers....
FIIG
09-21-2013, 12:10 PM
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Actually the KC-135 was/is a derivative of the B-707. KC-135 guys that got their ATP and could show their time in the KC were able to get a "Commercial Privileges" endorsement for the B-707/720 on their ticket. (I got one.) Once I got my first ATP Type (757/767), the "commercial privileges" was taken off and I now have a type the B-707/720.
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