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What the HOLY "F" are you talking about?
If you are referring to the current awarded positions, you're off by a few years. vvvvvv
If you're referring to your own expected timeline to the left seat, well, again you're off by more than just a few.
There are currently 4375 seniority numbers below the most junior 717A. Assuming there'll be zero junior positions in the upcoming bids whom are able to hold 717A (not likely), from mandatory retirements alone, you'd be able to hold Captain by the end of 2022. (Again, for example purposes, using the most junior person on property. I know you're a 2010 hire, but highly doubt you're the bottom number on the list.)
GJ
If you are referring to the current awarded positions, you're off by a few years. vvvvvv
If you're referring to your own expected timeline to the left seat, well, again you're off by more than just a few.
There are currently 4375 seniority numbers below the most junior 717A. Assuming there'll be zero junior positions in the upcoming bids whom are able to hold 717A (not likely), from mandatory retirements alone, you'd be able to hold Captain by the end of 2022. (Again, for example purposes, using the most junior person on property. I know you're a 2010 hire, but highly doubt you're the bottom number on the list.)
GJ
Nobody doubted DAL's performance is stellar. How did you plan on getting more of those dollars?
LCC was and is still paying 757 CA's $144.02 (AW $141.85)
UAL was paying 757 CA's . $160.53 before the JCBA.
CAL was paying 757 CA's . $169.33 before the JCBA.
DAL was paying 757CA's . $188.96 prior to C2012 ($19-$45 ahead of peers)
We all want more, but when a majority of your peer group is severely lagging your compensation already it is a tough sell to the NMB to get a release.
How far ahead of them did we get with C2012? Do you think another substantial jump like previously will be a reasonable negotiating stance in Spring of 2015?
LCC was and is still paying 757 CA's $144.02 (AW $141.85)
UAL was paying 757 CA's . $160.53 before the JCBA.
CAL was paying 757 CA's . $169.33 before the JCBA.
DAL was paying 757CA's . $188.96 prior to C2012 ($19-$45 ahead of peers)
We all want more, but when a majority of your peer group is severely lagging your compensation already it is a tough sell to the NMB to get a release.
How far ahead of them did we get with C2012? Do you think another substantial jump like previously will be a reasonable negotiating stance in Spring of 2015?
Columbia was hired in 2010, AND read the entire post. Don't you think that 717A's will go junior to seniority #7318 when all 88 have arrived on property? I'd place money on someone junior to #7318 holding 717A.
GJ
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Edit: Yes, I agree with your edited post of "A" positions trickling down to mid-8000's.
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My point, which isn't being taken too well in the text of the post, is that previous upgrade times, are not indicative of the upgrade times Delta pilots will see in the future.
80kts mentioned in his post that it'll take him 15yrs. to make 50% on the list. There is absolutely zero chance of him having to stay in the right seat until he reaches 50% on the list. The current award shows someone can hold "A" position at 60% on the list, and they're not even done awarding 717A's yet.
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I got an HTC Evo about 2 1/2 years ago, it's still going strong, no complaints.
We all want more, but when a majority of your peer group is severely lagging your compensation already it is a tough sell to the NMB to get a release.
How far ahead of them did we get with C2012? Do you think another substantial jump like previously will be a reasonable negotiating stance in Spring of 2015?
How far ahead of them did we get with C2012? Do you think another substantial jump like previously will be a reasonable negotiating stance in Spring of 2015?
We don't have to wait until 2015 and we don't need a "release" to apply a little pressure to management.
We are talking to them about scope right now as I type this. The company needs some modifications to our contract. All we need is the courage and conviction to walk in there and say that "constructive engagement" has been way too one-sided and its about time for some reciprocity.
We simply tell them that 4,8,3,3 isn't enough and unless we get some compensation adjustments beyond the inflation rate then we are done cooperating with every little change to their fleet plan and their grand international plans to expand the "network" using everybody else's planes and pilots.
At least occasionally, ALPA needs to show that it can still be a labor union and not just the pilot division of management.
I am getting sick and tired of my union telling me I have to live in fear of the NMB and there's nothing ALPA can do because American and USAir have such low pay and we need to wait for them to "pattern" up and blah, blah, blah.. That is just a lame excuse and it is bu||$hit.
Delta is minting money right now largely because they are still paying us bankruptcy wages and we are flying our butts off. They can afford to start fixing that situation. And they can do it NOW. If they refuse then they can kiss their Narita codeshares goodbye and any future "engagements" aren't going to be so constructive.
I was surprised at the WB captain awards when there were no vacancies on the AE. Not complaining, just pleasantly surprised.
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