Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-11-2013, 12:53 PM
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Just got back from local Costco. Not sure if it is available nationwide, but case of Sierra Nevada Torpedoes were in stock.
09-11-2013, 01:14 PM
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Combining SC and current RAW in to one metric will require negotiations, so its a good resolution to bring to the floor of the LEC.
On the elections. There are two sides to this and both make good and valid points.
If the membership wants to go this way, I have always suggested a middle ground position. Membership elects, the Master Chairman, but the MEC (Reps) hold the ability to recall. Furthermore, the MEC could nominate the candidaes to the top three vote getters (MEC-Rep vote) and then send these top vote/nomination candidates to the pilots for vote.
What this does is take the concern that a direct membership election and recall process would turn in to some of the independent food fight where the process stalls and work cannot get done. It allows the ability to recall to remain with the Reps who have the most intimate knowledge of the effectiveness of a person. A nomination vote from the MEC puts a check valve in the process that allows those that truly have the ability to run our MEC (not a easy task btw, with 600 volunteers and 29 Reps with a reach that most do not appreciate) to be vetted.
Unless these items are part of the Resolution that passes the LEC level, it will be face with stiff headwind. The whole debate goes to the philosophical level of a Representational democracy, which the USA is but with some one offs like the ability to impeach not being left to the populous but their elected representatives, and, the nominations being being vetted though a primary process of two parties. That gets taken care of by recall remaining with the MEC and a nomination process mimicking the two party primary process we see in US politics with a MEC nomination process that is open to pilot in good standing.
What say you?
On the elections. There are two sides to this and both make good and valid points.
If the membership wants to go this way, I have always suggested a middle ground position. Membership elects, the Master Chairman, but the MEC (Reps) hold the ability to recall. Furthermore, the MEC could nominate the candidaes to the top three vote getters (MEC-Rep vote) and then send these top vote/nomination candidates to the pilots for vote.
What this does is take the concern that a direct membership election and recall process would turn in to some of the independent food fight where the process stalls and work cannot get done. It allows the ability to recall to remain with the Reps who have the most intimate knowledge of the effectiveness of a person. A nomination vote from the MEC puts a check valve in the process that allows those that truly have the ability to run our MEC (not a easy task btw, with 600 volunteers and 29 Reps with a reach that most do not appreciate) to be vetted.
Unless these items are part of the Resolution that passes the LEC level, it will be face with stiff headwind. The whole debate goes to the philosophical level of a Representational democracy, which the USA is but with some one offs like the ability to impeach not being left to the populous but their elected representatives, and, the nominations being being vetted though a primary process of two parties. That gets taken care of by recall remaining with the MEC and a nomination process mimicking the two party primary process we see in US politics with a MEC nomination process that is open to pilot in good standing.
What say you?
09-11-2013, 02:01 PM
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What's the word on the street about the Microsoft Tablets we're supposed to get? My refurbished Dell netbook is on its last legs and before I go get a replacement I was wondering if we'll be able to load any software on the tablet and/or get personal use out of it (Netflix). That and what kind of implementation date are we hearing?
09-11-2013, 02:14 PM
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What's the word on the street about the Microsoft Tablets we're supposed to get? My refurbished Dell netbook is on its last legs and before I go get a replacement I was wondering if we'll be able to load any software on the tablet and/or get personal use out of it (Netflix). That and what kind of implementation date are we hearing?
We are told you will be able to use it for personal use (and I intend to). The final specs for the device are not out yet, but it runs Windows RT, which is not vanilla Windows 8.1. Common apps like web browsers will work fine. Windows software will not work. Netflix should be good to go.
With Windows User Account Controls your stuff should be discrete (much more so than under iOS) unless someone wants to take a look for some reason. Yeah, they could out you on APC
From a platform spec, the Surface RT2 tablet will be more along the lines of a higher end cell phone. I think the specs will be released on the 23rd of the month. Expect a Tegra 4 chipset driving a HD 1080p screen. It's kind of a yawn, like an Airbus product that way.
I wonder if Delta will support a RT Pro 2. The Haswell chipset & real windows 8.1 would be a much more rounded product. We will end up buying one or two for the household regardless.
My guess is that Delta will have a specially designed app suite that runs under RT. Kinda surprised the vendors did all the work for that, but talking to the non computer guy who has been using it, that was the description he gave.
09-11-2013, 02:27 PM
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I think the bucket sizes should be variable. They have been unwilling to shift the bucket sizes thus far. Most important is tying SC to the overall bucket. Currently (and quite frequently), you can fly every day on call and then be first up for short call despite being in a higher bucket than others. That has to be fixed.
Curious- how would a membership election of the MEC chairs marginalize the reps? Currently that process is removed from the membership, and national leadership doubly removed from the membership.
edit: per sink's request I posed the concept in the representation thread.
Curious- how would a membership election of the MEC chairs marginalize the reps? Currently that process is removed from the membership, and national leadership doubly removed from the membership.
edit: per sink's request I posed the concept in the representation thread.
As to the second, ACL beat me too it for the most part. Yes, the members are tasked with selecting quality representatives to "represent" the local membership. If you remove the importance of your local reps in making those important decisions then you decrease their usefulness and importance; putting quality people in local office become less of a factor, and therefore less able to influence positive outcomes for their members.
On my iPhone so it's not very well written, hope you get my drift and don't get hung up on the slack wording.
09-11-2013, 03:18 PM
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Gunship,
We are told you will be able to use it for personal use (and I intend to). The final specs for the device are not out yet, but it runs Windows RT, which is not vanilla Windows 8.1. Common apps like web browsers will work fine. Windows software will not work. Netflix should be good to go.
With Windows User Account Controls your stuff should be discrete (much more so than under iOS) unless someone wants to take a look for some reason. Yeah, they could out you on APC
From a platform spec, the Surface RT2 tablet will be more along the lines of a higher end cell phone. I think the specs will be released on the 23rd of the month. Expect a Tegra 4 chipset driving a HD 1080p screen. It's kind of a yawn, like an Airbus product that way.
I wonder if Delta will support a RT Pro 2. The Haswell chipset & real windows 8.1 would be a much more rounded product. We will end up buying one or two for the household regardless.
My guess is that Delta will have a specially designed app suite that runs under RT. Kinda surprised the vendors did all the work for that, but talking to the non computer guy who has been using it, that was the description he gave.
We are told you will be able to use it for personal use (and I intend to). The final specs for the device are not out yet, but it runs Windows RT, which is not vanilla Windows 8.1. Common apps like web browsers will work fine. Windows software will not work. Netflix should be good to go.
With Windows User Account Controls your stuff should be discrete (much more so than under iOS) unless someone wants to take a look for some reason. Yeah, they could out you on APC
From a platform spec, the Surface RT2 tablet will be more along the lines of a higher end cell phone. I think the specs will be released on the 23rd of the month. Expect a Tegra 4 chipset driving a HD 1080p screen. It's kind of a yawn, like an Airbus product that way.
I wonder if Delta will support a RT Pro 2. The Haswell chipset & real windows 8.1 would be a much more rounded product. We will end up buying one or two for the household regardless.
My guess is that Delta will have a specially designed app suite that runs under RT. Kinda surprised the vendors did all the work for that, but talking to the non computer guy who has been using it, that was the description he gave.
took place in my brain.A key point for me is the one you made about it not being able to run Windows software. For this reason I'm going to have to consider a product that runs windows 8.1--the netbook I have now is the only windows product I have in the house and I use it for Easybid. I'll at least wait to see what the Surface RT2 tablet hold and if it works for Delta and if it'll run Easybid. I'll try to keep my ear to the ground on updates you, the company, or anyone else puts across in the near future.
09-11-2013, 03:32 PM
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Delta Dental Plans and Orthodontic Plans
After reading some good comments and suggestions on glasses, can i get your input on:
Best dental plan to use at Delta for kids braces
Best ways to maximize the dollar paying the rest (flex saver or health rewards?)
P.S. I have never used health care insurance thru Delta since my Wife's plan had better coverage. Orthodontics is not covered best we can tell?
Best dental plan to use at Delta for kids braces
Best ways to maximize the dollar paying the rest (flex saver or health rewards?)
P.S. I have never used health care insurance thru Delta since my Wife's plan had better coverage. Orthodontics is not covered best we can tell?
09-11-2013, 03:42 PM
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I agree that flexing the buckets might work, I'd still like to see SC get actual "credit", that would help fix some inequity also.
As to the second, ACL beat me too it for the most part. Yes, the members are tasked with selecting quality representatives to "represent" the local membership. If you remove the importance of your local reps in making those important decisions then you decrease their usefulness and importance; putting quality people in local office become less of a factor, and therefore less able to influence positive outcomes for their members.
On my iPhone so it's not very well written, hope you get my drift and don't get hung up on the slack wording.
As to the second, ACL beat me too it for the most part. Yes, the members are tasked with selecting quality representatives to "represent" the local membership. If you remove the importance of your local reps in making those important decisions then you decrease their usefulness and importance; putting quality people in local office become less of a factor, and therefore less able to influence positive outcomes for their members.
On my iPhone so it's not very well written, hope you get my drift and don't get hung up on the slack wording.
I disagree that having membership vote for MEC, committee, and national lessens the importance of the local reps. The local reps are critical in many areas beyond this. While in a utopian environment, the reps would perfectly represent the desires of those who elected them, but that is never the case. It can't be. I think that membership election allows the desires of the membership to be better represented. With checks put in place like ACL suggested, I think it is a very workable solution.
09-11-2013, 03:56 PM
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09-11-2013, 04:46 PM
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Honestly, I don't see the hub-bub about electing the MEC chair. The question how do we want to structure that position.
The position is one of FACILITATOR, not one of power, or even one of leadership. That person should merely be the face of the pilot group, and coordinate the efforts that represent the will of the individual representatives. More along the lines of "chief of staff".
Now if you believe that information is power, then the people who wield the real, structural power are the committee chairs. Their committees are the one's who are doing the "work", and the committee chair presents that information to the reps via the MEC administration. While we all want to believe that this information is passed along in it's "pure" form, we all know that individual nuance is given...it cant be helped, as people are people. A "backspin" on the bowling ball can change the whole shot.
We hold elections for the merger committee and the negotiating committee. Kinda important that a complete vetting of EACH individual is performed Some properties also elect their R&I committee, and fNWA elected ALL of their committee chairs, in addition to the entire NC, Merger and R&I.
So sure, you can have the membership elect the MEC chair, but IMHO nothing would change. The change you want see involvement in is not the people who drive the bus, but the one's who tell it where to go.
Nu
The position is one of FACILITATOR, not one of power, or even one of leadership. That person should merely be the face of the pilot group, and coordinate the efforts that represent the will of the individual representatives. More along the lines of "chief of staff".
Now if you believe that information is power, then the people who wield the real, structural power are the committee chairs. Their committees are the one's who are doing the "work", and the committee chair presents that information to the reps via the MEC administration. While we all want to believe that this information is passed along in it's "pure" form, we all know that individual nuance is given...it cant be helped, as people are people. A "backspin" on the bowling ball can change the whole shot.
We hold elections for the merger committee and the negotiating committee. Kinda important that a complete vetting of EACH individual is performed Some properties also elect their R&I committee, and fNWA elected ALL of their committee chairs, in addition to the entire NC, Merger and R&I.
So sure, you can have the membership elect the MEC chair, but IMHO nothing would change. The change you want see involvement in is not the people who drive the bus, but the one's who tell it where to go.
Nu
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