Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-11-2013, 07:53 AM
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09-11-2013, 08:02 AM
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The other idea is still being worked on and will have to be multiple resolutions- Memrat for MEC leads, committee heads, and National leads. That one will upset the establishment. However, the current process is too removed from the line pilot and needs to be updated.
09-11-2013, 08:07 AM
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Bar, I have not seen that documentary, but I actually read some of the research paper as quoted in a journal.
The premise is that beer was much more commonly used in the Middle East than wine. Beer was also more easily brewed, grain was more plentiful than grapes, storage was less difficult... The author believed that anywhere in the Bible where the word "wine" is used, the word "beer" could be just as safely used. The translators apparently used wine over beer because that was what was more available and acceptable in their lives according to the author.
The premise is that beer was much more commonly used in the Middle East than wine. Beer was also more easily brewed, grain was more plentiful than grapes, storage was less difficult... The author believed that anywhere in the Bible where the word "wine" is used, the word "beer" could be just as safely used. The translators apparently used wine over beer because that was what was more available and acceptable in their lives according to the author.
09-11-2013, 08:47 AM
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One is a no brainer- tying SC buckets to overall buckets. The setup now is just terrible.
The other idea is still being worked on and will have to be multiple resolutions- Memrat for MEC leads, committee heads, and National leads. That one will upset the establishment. However, the current process is too removed from the line pilot and needs to be updated.
The other idea is still being worked on and will have to be multiple resolutions- Memrat for MEC leads, committee heads, and National leads. That one will upset the establishment. However, the current process is too removed from the line pilot and needs to be updated.
)... but I'd like to see actual "credit" for SC and not just "RAW". That would probably take Sect. 6 to fix, but who knows!As for more elections... The reps would be further marginalized by removing their BOD vote for Nat'l. officers and their MEC vote for Chairman et al. That would play right into the Carl argument that "reps have no power". Only 28% of pilots voted in the last ATL LEC election, I'm not sure it would make a difference in participation but maybe!
We know pretty much everyone on this board participates (except for the DPA hard-cores who claim ALPA is broken and want no part in participating or fixing it), its the other 72% that don't care.
09-11-2013, 10:52 AM
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Some interesting and respectful posts in the last few pages. Glad for the miracle-beer links, but WISH I hadn't followed that Urantia wiki link and got reading lol. And it's nice to see folks have more important convictions than DALPA/DPA 
Does anyone have a solid opinion or better yet fact/Solid Contract Interpretation, as to where these returning 150 furlough bypass folks, ranging from #9000-#10,900 seniority, will go? And am I right in reading the contract that they'll be assigned somewhere by the company, but can bid off immediately during the first AE they have, even in training, which it now appears WILL be during their training?
There is a giant chunk of folks in the 9000's, solid 7ER B levels, who can and will cause massive whiplash and ripples to flow down into 737, 320, M88, and 717 depending on how/where they bid... 150 folks returning over the next few months Nov-Feb being assigned 717 then bidding off that and into 7ER B would cause huge pain for those below them.
Thoughts?
Does anyone have a solid opinion or better yet fact/Solid Contract Interpretation, as to where these returning 150 furlough bypass folks, ranging from #9000-#10,900 seniority, will go? And am I right in reading the contract that they'll be assigned somewhere by the company, but can bid off immediately during the first AE they have, even in training, which it now appears WILL be during their training?
There is a giant chunk of folks in the 9000's, solid 7ER B levels, who can and will cause massive whiplash and ripples to flow down into 737, 320, M88, and 717 depending on how/where they bid... 150 folks returning over the next few months Nov-Feb being assigned 717 then bidding off that and into 7ER B would cause huge pain for those below them.
Thoughts?
09-11-2013, 11:01 AM
Mother’s finest
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Some interesting and respectful posts in the last few pages. Glad for the miracle-beer links, but WISH I hadn't followed that Urantia wiki link and got reading lol. And it's nice to see folks have more important convictions than DALPA/DPA
Does anyone have a solid opinion or better yet fact/Solid Contract Interpretation, as to where these returning 150 furlough bypass folks, ranging from #9000-#10,900 seniority, will go? And am I right in reading the contract that they'll be assigned somewhere by the company, but can bid off immediately during the first AE they have, even in training, which it now appears WILL be during their training?
There is a giant chunk of folks in the 9000's, solid 7ER B levels, who can and will cause massive whiplash and ripples to flow down into 737, 320, M88, and 717 depending on how/where they bid... 150 folks returning over the next few months Nov-Feb being assigned 717 then bidding off that and into 7ER B would cause huge pain for those below them.
Thoughts?
Does anyone have a solid opinion or better yet fact/Solid Contract Interpretation, as to where these returning 150 furlough bypass folks, ranging from #9000-#10,900 seniority, will go? And am I right in reading the contract that they'll be assigned somewhere by the company, but can bid off immediately during the first AE they have, even in training, which it now appears WILL be during their training?
There is a giant chunk of folks in the 9000's, solid 7ER B levels, who can and will cause massive whiplash and ripples to flow down into 737, 320, M88, and 717 depending on how/where they bid... 150 folks returning over the next few months Nov-Feb being assigned 717 then bidding off that and into 7ER B would cause huge pain for those below them.
Thoughts?
That is certainly not to say that these recalled pilots will not upset somebody's apple cart or move somebody's cheese, I just don't think it will be on the ER.
09-11-2013, 11:02 AM
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Some interesting and respectful posts in the last few pages. Glad for the miracle-beer links, but WISH I hadn't followed that Urantia wiki link and got reading lol. And it's nice to see folks have more important convictions than DALPA/DPA
Does anyone have a solid opinion or better yet fact/Solid Contract Interpretation, as to where these returning 150 furlough bypass folks, ranging from #9000-#10,900 seniority, will go? And am I right in reading the contract that they'll be assigned somewhere by the company, but can bid off immediately during the first AE they have, even in training, which it now appears WILL be during their training?
There is a giant chunk of folks in the 9000's, solid 7ER B levels, who can and will cause massive whiplash and ripples to flow down into 737, 320, M88, and 717 depending on how/where they bid... 150 folks returning over the next few months Nov-Feb being assigned 717 then bidding off that and into 7ER B would cause huge pain for those below them.
Thoughts?
Does anyone have a solid opinion or better yet fact/Solid Contract Interpretation, as to where these returning 150 furlough bypass folks, ranging from #9000-#10,900 seniority, will go? And am I right in reading the contract that they'll be assigned somewhere by the company, but can bid off immediately during the first AE they have, even in training, which it now appears WILL be during their training?
There is a giant chunk of folks in the 9000's, solid 7ER B levels, who can and will cause massive whiplash and ripples to flow down into 737, 320, M88, and 717 depending on how/where they bid... 150 folks returning over the next few months Nov-Feb being assigned 717 then bidding off that and into 7ER B would cause huge pain for those below them.
Thoughts?
09-11-2013, 11:10 AM
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Some interesting and respectful posts in the last few pages. Glad for the miracle-beer links, but WISH I hadn't followed that Urantia wiki link and got reading lol. And it's nice to see folks have more important convictions than DALPA/DPA
Does anyone have a solid opinion or better yet fact/Solid Contract Interpretation, as to where these returning 150 furlough bypass folks, ranging from #9000-#10,900 seniority, will go? And am I right in reading the contract that they'll be assigned somewhere by the company, but can bid off immediately during the first AE they have, even in training, which it now appears WILL be during their training?
There is a giant chunk of folks in the 9000's, solid 7ER B levels, who can and will cause massive whiplash and ripples to flow down into 737, 320, M88, and 717 depending on how/where they bid... 150 folks returning over the next few months Nov-Feb being assigned 717 then bidding off that and into 7ER B would cause huge pain for those below them.
Thoughts?
Does anyone have a solid opinion or better yet fact/Solid Contract Interpretation, as to where these returning 150 furlough bypass folks, ranging from #9000-#10,900 seniority, will go? And am I right in reading the contract that they'll be assigned somewhere by the company, but can bid off immediately during the first AE they have, even in training, which it now appears WILL be during their training?
There is a giant chunk of folks in the 9000's, solid 7ER B levels, who can and will cause massive whiplash and ripples to flow down into 737, 320, M88, and 717 depending on how/where they bid... 150 folks returning over the next few months Nov-Feb being assigned 717 then bidding off that and into 7ER B would cause huge pain for those below them.
Thoughts?
09-11-2013, 11:31 AM
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The other idea is still being worked on and will have to be multiple resolutions- Memrat for MEC leads, committee heads, and National leads. That one will upset the establishment. However, the current process is too removed from the line pilot and needs to be updated.
Assuming they don't, and the same agent, I'd have to ask how you think that would play out, in terms of authority.
Say you pick a really popular guy to be MEC Chairman (75% of participants' votes) that likes a set of tactics we'll call A, the NC is made up of another set of popularly elected guys (~60% of partipants' votes) but that favor tactic B, and you have pretty good reps besides (but at 55% of votes), and they advocate for C. Say for argument's ake they have a majority of reps agreeing with them... who is actually representing the pilots? Wouldn't all three have a credible argument that they have a popular mandate to implement their plan?
09-11-2013, 11:43 AM
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