ExAF

You didn't really type this did you? It's just too easy. If I were a pot strirrer, that line would be manna from heaven.

newKnow

<++++++ (Passing EXAF one of those big wooden spoons)

Rhino Driver

Interesting article.

How the Legacy Airlines Lost So Much Altitude Since 9/11 -- Seeking Alpha

Tinpusher007

This last bullet point is one of the most telling and an outrage to many.

• While 155,000 jobs were lost and the average revenue per employee increased by over $110,000; general management wages/salaries as reported on DOT41 forms, increased by 44% as it climbed from $243 million to $350 million.

Hmmm...and it's our costs that need to go down?

alfaromeo

Where exactly did I say that? What I said was that saying no is not a strategy to accomplish anything. You can disagree with the administration and have a concrete plan on achieving your goals. People seem to think that the MEC or the administration moves as one borg with no dissent. In fact there are tremendous differences. Once you work through those differences, then most people support the group. You know, teamwork. The more narcissistic ones will go around thumping their chests and pandering to the loudest voices. Those people often contribute nothing.

If you just say "vote no" then you will accomplish just as much as the last MEC rep that did that. Nothing. If you don't like Plan A, you better have a Plan B.

1234

looking at the August traffic results for DAL, it is interesting to note that the only increase in ASM's were to the regionals (an increase over 2%). And this is after we parked over a hundred 50 seaters

forgot to bid

It sucks when pay doesn't match value but IMHO when you look at management at United, CAL, AA, USdespair, etc, then I am very happy to have our team and whatever they're paid, in fact, i'm fine with whatever pay is necessary to keep them even if it's much higher. From what I know when either RA, or whoever did it, hired some of the good brains from CAL they asked Bethune if DAL could afford to hire them and Bethune bluntly said you can't afford not to. I'm not saying everything will be perfect but I wouldn't want to be anywhere
else.

We as line pilots truly need our management to be the best if we want to be the best airline.

KC10 FATboy

I just did a layover in a hotel that charged for internet in the room. I thought we had secured internet in the rooms with the merger contract. So, I got out my handy PWA and started reading.

The hotel only has to give you ACCESS to internet. The hotel had two business computers available. I checked them out and they were riddled with spyware, viruses, and ad ware.

So is this how the hotels and/our Delta is going to interpret the PWA language?

I can't wait until the first hacker gets my passwords to Deltanet and Ecrew and does some hacking. That'll be fun.

Tinpusher007

You make very valid points. And the current management team at DL does seem to be making the right decisions which place Delta in a better position than it's peers which trickles down to you and I theoretically (well, probably you, more than I).

However, I would agree 100% with you IF everything that managers, past and present did, namely cutting our compensation while increasing their own as well as forcing each employee to do more with less resulted in profits. But as the article points out, thats not the case. The red ink is still flowing. I do realize there are outside forces at hand that make profits extremely difficult in our business. But many employees have simply been lied too..."shared sacrifices, shared rewards" "if you don't take x amount reduction in pay, this company won't survive" etc.

I do believe the airlines collectively have lost much more money than they made prior to 9/11. That, too me does not justify bonuses of any sort, let alone increasing said bonses year over year. If it was necessary to pay out that kind of money in bonses to retain "top talent" than we should be seeing profits, Im sorry! If they are only employed for bonuses, than every word they speak of about commitment and great employees and how they care about customers is BS and they shouldn't be working at an airline. Imagine the body count if you or I took the same approach to our jobs.

Ok, comin off the soapbox now...and Im not attacking you at all...just had to get that off my chest. I hope RA and the gang earn it...they seem to be close to or on the right track now, depending on who you talk to. Good luck to us all.

iceman49

That's why there are different hotels in London.