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07-11-2008, 07:46 AM

#1381

HercDriver130

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I think most of the so called regional pilots welcome the fact that some mainline companies may be deploying smaller aircraft on routes that are being flown by them.... I think the disdain is in the apparent glee that Capt"numbnuts"crunch showed above at the loss of jobs at the regional level.....

I believe you would be hard pressed to find comments of the reverse nature....i.e. a regional pilot happy that a mainline group was losing their job... ( there are a few but they are just idiots.....maybe the two have something in common )...

07-11-2008, 07:50 AM

#1382

Justdoinmyjob

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paok

nice......I will not have a job in 6 weeks... but I guess I am still not feeling the market strain

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Originally Posted by CVG767A

I'm sorry for your loss (I really am), but bear in mind that in the post 9-11 days, the mainline fleets at both airlines were shrunk drastically, while management grew the RJ fleets dramatically. Many of us at mainline carriers see this as a return of jobs which had been previously subcontracted out.

I have to echo CVG767A's comments. I really do feel for anyone getting furloughed. I was furloughed myself for 4 1/2 years after 9/11, while I watched almost unprecedented growth at the regional level. For the last few years, some industry observers were saying that the next downturn would affect regionals as the legacies had already been through the fire. For anyone who thought that those times would last, didn't really understand their industry.

07-11-2008, 09:30 AM

#1383

capncrunch

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Originally Posted by CVG767A

Much more eloquent. Thanks. I am sorry that guys are hitting the street, I've been furloughed myself and it sucks, I know. But I am tired of the airlines paying for landing fees, gas, etc for the regionals while they claim they are out of money and then using the regionals to get contract concessions and generally screw the mainline pilots. To see that coming to an end, yes I am gleeful. The fact that many are hitting the street is not where my glee lies.

07-11-2008, 09:57 AM

#1384

KC10 FATboy

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Originally Posted by Doug Masters

I heard the Shuttle load factor was about 35%. Any shuttle guys confirm this? Also heard that the shuttle was gonna be replaced with Rjs and that the shuttle -88s were gonnna replace other rjs domestically. I would hate to see something as unique as the shuttle go to rjs but thats the rumor.

I'm not sure if the Shuttle is that low -- based on the flights I've flown. However, it wouldn't surprise me. I talked to a Capt on my last rotation about this subject. He said "its on the table" but he knew of no plans as of yet to send the Shuttle to the RJs. He also said this was only for the DC Shuttle not Boston.

On a side note, DAL did win the government contract for DC ... so this may save the 88 on the DC Shuttle.

-Fatty

07-11-2008, 10:02 AM

#1385

Superpilot92

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Originally Posted by CVG767A

It sounds like RA's latest plan is to park the -30s, and keep the -40s and -50s. How many of each are in the fleet now?

OUT OF THE 61 PLANNED AT THE END OF THE YEAR

20 will be dc9-30's

7 will be dc9-40's

34 will be dc9-50's

07-11-2008, 10:05 AM

#1386

Superpilot92

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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy

maybe they will switch some of the dc9's over to the shuttle flying, who knows

07-11-2008, 11:29 AM

#1387

CVG767A

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Originally Posted by Superpilot92

OUT OF THE 61 PLANNED AT THE END OF THE YEAR

20 will be dc9-30's

7 will be dc9-40's

34 will be dc9-50's

Thanks for the info. The -9 might be a good airplane for the shuttle, especially the DCA flying.

Now I hope that they decide that there's money in cargo (i.e. freighters, in addition to belly cargo).

07-11-2008, 11:37 AM

#1388

Scoop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paok

nice......I will not have a job in 6 weeks... but I guess I am still not feeling the market strain

Paok,

That sucks. It is bad to see anyone lose a job but as said above most of the regional flying today was previously flown by the majors prior to 9-11, this is just the pendulum swinging back in the other direction.

Scoop

07-11-2008, 11:40 AM

#1389

KC10 FATboy

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Originally Posted by CVG767A

Actually, DAL is going after Cargo quite aggressively and they are hoping to change their image in the cargo world.

Delta looking to expand cargo business | ajc.com

Also, I've heard rumours that a couple of our 777s in Asia flew the first flights not with passengers but with cargo only because of a backlog.

-Fatty

07-11-2008, 12:17 PM

#1390

Scoop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Superpilot92

OUT OF THE 61 PLANNED AT THE END OF THE YEAR

20 will be dc9-30's

7 will be dc9-40's

34 will be dc9-50's

Super,
Talk on the DAL boards is R. Anderson met with the LCA today and said we were not going to keep the -30's. No timeline but definitely not the kind of news we need to hear. Other info was surprisingly upbeat (which makes it hard to believe) including DAL would report an operating profit for this quarter.

Scoop