Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-04-2013, 08:48 PM
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I thought there were a lot more 752ERs as well but they only list 8 transoceanic 752s.
But capacity growth greater than 0% is a lot of growth in Delta world. Where are we going to grow? LAX seems tapped out. ATL is full. MEM just got cut more. CVG is always rumored to be next. DOJ is fighting mergers now. The economy is where it's been for years with no real signs of growth here or abroad.
Where and why would we growth that much other than in the Pacific. I can see that with the 333s but, just going off what is said here, at the same time isn't the ER getting cut across the Atlantic?
But put your eyes back on and you can check me out...
you're not even looking at me.
But capacity growth greater than 0% is a lot of growth in Delta world. Where are we going to grow? LAX seems tapped out. ATL is full. MEM just got cut more. CVG is always rumored to be next. DOJ is fighting mergers now. The economy is where it's been for years with no real signs of growth here or abroad.
Where and why would we growth that much other than in the Pacific. I can see that with the 333s but, just going off what is said here, at the same time isn't the ER getting cut across the Atlantic?
But put your eyes back on and you can check me out...
you're not even looking at me.
09-04-2013, 09:24 PM
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My card expired. I put one in. I did it in a moment of weakness by which I mean the wrong side of a long flight home with a migraine and some real concern over my flight home being made. I really had never looked at a policy manual or anything else until this all started. The more I read on here about policies and the more I read on the DPA site I started to realize that starting from scratch with a bad plan is um er a bad plan. I figured if I asked the internet someone would answer. Instead I'm an 'ALPA guy' because I asked how DPA could be better when they haven't invented better yet. Way to go APC. Way to go.
09-04-2013, 10:50 PM
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Saw,
What you are saying probably won't matter to arbitrators in a SLI, is probably the main thing they are concerned with.
If we pay a 737-900 captain the same ad a 747-400/-777 captain, you pretty much assure a merger with Alaska will result in a SLI where the #1 Alaska pilot gets merged right behind our #1 B-777 or B-744 captain.
What you are saying probably won't matter to arbitrators in a SLI, is probably the main thing they are concerned with.
If we pay a 737-900 captain the same ad a 747-400/-777 captain, you pretty much assure a merger with Alaska will result in a SLI where the #1 Alaska pilot gets merged right behind our #1 B-777 or B-744 captain.
Yes I realize that pay rates can certainly be brought up due to the "not limited to" clause, but I think we will find the mergers which have been arbitrated using this methodology haven't really included it.
However, if you want to start with the assumption that we somehow get 737-9 and A-321 rates up to the same as the 777, who cares if the potential 737-9 operating merger candidate's pilots get merged with our most senior pilots via a direct ratio? Not saying this would happen, but like I said previously, these guys would be bringing their own equally high paying airplanes with them. What makes any of us think they would want our 777 flying if they can make the same money staying right where they are? (Or even if they do, when they "move up" to a 777/747 seat, they are vacating another Capt seat that pays exactly the same- hard to call that a loss to be honest). At that point we are looking solely at the question of do we really value that type of flying for the sake of itself vs do we value it for its higher paying status. I think we have heard plenty of very senior folks weigh in on this.
I would have to say the real losers in a potential tie up with Alaska in particular would be their junior FO's. Take a look at how senior anything remotely west goes at Delta. Even at a straight ratio not accounting for equipment a great deal of those guys would be getting the boot from their west coast bases over time. The same thing happened to junior FO's in SLC, LAX, and more recently to FOs in MSP. That is assuming of course the company would not add additional capacity to those bases in a post-merger scenario.
I'm not advocating a T2 style LGB, and I'm certainly not saying that the rates for either of these aircraft will actually be the same as the 75/76 (or the 777 from your example). I'm just pointing out the flaw in logic in advocating lower pay for the 737-9 and the A321 based on fear of it giving those aircraft status equal to 767/777/name your fleet in some potential future merger scenario.
09-05-2013, 03:16 AM
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- DPA announces dues will be lowered to anywhere between 1%-1.75% depending on where you read the website yet the constitution says they will go up without MEMRAT to 2.25% next year. ALPA can't raise dues today without a vote.
The dues rate shall be 1.75% upon initial certification by the National Mediation Board. On January 1st of the second full fiscal year following initial certification, the dues rate shall drop annually by 0.25% every year until reaching a minimum dues rate of 1%. Special Circumstance Exception: Six (6) months prior to the amendable date of the Pilot Working Agreement, or upon early opening of negotiations if greater than six (6) months prior to the amendable date, or upon notification of a possible bankruptcy or merger initiated by the Company, the dues rate will temporarily increase by 0.5% until the new contract is ratified, or bankruptcy proceedings or merger integration is complete.
That's why your first bullet point is opinion only and not fact based. Shall we go to the next bullet point on your laundry list?
Carl
09-05-2013, 03:42 AM
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FTB,
I am very happy you have embraced logic and reason and have posted the known fleet count for 2017. Everyone on the seniority list right now will hold wide body captain by next year. DCI flows won't be replaced and we've negotiated a mainline pay rate for the 76 seaters. The Narita base is going to be pumped up in our scope negotiations and we have convinced the company that Delta pilots will fly all Virgin Atlantic passengers (using their flight attendants). Additionally, we have convince all of our code share partners in Asia to use Delta pilots to fly their airplanes.
We are DALPA
Scambo
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I am very happy you have embraced logic and reason and have posted the known fleet count for 2017. Everyone on the seniority list right now will hold wide body captain by next year. DCI flows won't be replaced and we've negotiated a mainline pay rate for the 76 seaters. The Narita base is going to be pumped up in our scope negotiations and we have convinced the company that Delta pilots will fly all Virgin Atlantic passengers (using their flight attendants). Additionally, we have convince all of our code share partners in Asia to use Delta pilots to fly their airplanes.
We are DALPA
Scambo
On FPL
09-05-2013, 03:51 AM
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I asked you earlier to rephrase using one bullet point of the laundry list at a time, and try to use fewer words because it only bores people and shows you don't really understand your own points. You didn't do that. So I'll try starting with your first opinion listed as fact:
Look at your first bullet point, then try to reconcile that bullet point's opinion with what you posted from DPA. You're opinion isn't even close to what DPA has written. Notice it says nothing about dues going to 2.25% next year without MEMRAT. That could happen next year depending upon any special circumstances that might happen, but it also might not.
That's why your first bullet point is opinion only and not fact based. Shall we go to the next bullet point on your laundry list?
Carl
Look at your first bullet point, then try to reconcile that bullet point's opinion with what you posted from DPA. You're opinion isn't even close to what DPA has written. Notice it says nothing about dues going to 2.25% next year without MEMRAT. That could happen next year depending upon any special circumstances that might happen, but it also might not.
That's why your first bullet point is opinion only and not fact based. Shall we go to the next bullet point on your laundry list?
Carl
1.75 + 0.5% on Oct. 1, 2014 = 2.25%. No pilot vote.
ALPA
1.90% on Jan 1, 2014). No 0.5%, not a penny extra without a membership vote.
09-05-2013, 03:51 AM
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09-05-2013, 03:53 AM
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09-05-2013, 04:25 AM
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What do you want? For the 757s, all the 5500 and up through 670 are up for replacement. All of the 763 domestics (non-etops) are up for replacement. Without a life extension, 3209-3250 are up for replacement. Also, I believe some of the first delivery 88s are up as well.
I've never stated that all the 321s are non-growth. There is always overlap on deliveries being taken and aircraft being parked. You keep putting words in my mouth for some reason.
I've never stated that all the 321s are non-growth. There is always overlap on deliveries being taken and aircraft being parked. You keep putting words in my mouth for some reason.
09-05-2013, 04:30 AM
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