Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-03-2009, 10:14 AM
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My opinion??? I have simply asked what makes you so special not to have to give up anything to come to Delta. I have not stated my opinion on flow through. Also so the opinion of almost all Delta pilots on here are framed as what's BEST for DELTA Pilots (not's what's best for ME). Find me a quote on here where individual Delta pilots are speaking from a what's best for me as the individual. You said you are senior enough to weather tough times. How do your junior copilots on here feel about that. I would think a self described "trade unionist" would be concerned for ALL positions at his/her company! You don't seem to be speaking from the perspective of the group but rather that of an individual and what's best for you. I'm not labeling you selfish, but that is indeed how your posts are coming across.....
Oh and news flash the only downward pressure had been the threat of the 1113c hearings. We are getting RID of DCI carriers, not picking up more! Our union has taken steps on scope and I believe have finally drawn a line in the sand. How can your MEC force Delta to give you more flying??
Oh and news flash the only downward pressure had been the threat of the 1113c hearings. We are getting RID of DCI carriers, not picking up more! Our union has taken steps on scope and I believe have finally drawn a line in the sand. How can your MEC force Delta to give you more flying??
09-03-2009, 10:15 AM
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Wow how ignorant can one really be. Have you no knowledge of airline history. Eastern, Pan Am, Braniff, TWA, Indpendence, ExpressJet etc etc. You think the guys at UAL in 2000 felt VERY secure.... Crap flows down hill partner, I hope and pray thats a lesson you'll never have to learn.....
09-03-2009, 10:24 AM
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I agree, it is about recapturing the flying but I think we start by capturing aircraft and then hire. That's what I like about Compass, get the planes, the pilots are already in a flow and were hired with NWA oversight and 330 pilots or whatever the number is hardly noticeable. Expand the flying and start hiring the best candidates throughout the industry, 121, MIL, etc.
The biggest joke I ever saw when it came to flows is when CAL did pref interviewing with COex guys and if hired these pilots got a seniority number in the next class at CAL but were to stay at Coex until they flowed up but once they did they had a seniority from a much much earlier class. There was this punk at Coex that CAL turned down in the pref interview but later he got to flow up anyways... and flow down where is bitter antics about cost him or did cost him both jobs. So there is a guy who an airline doesn't want, proves himself to be the wrong guy but they had to take him anyways. Not wise. I think that's why I like Compass' situation best in how they were hired.
The biggest joke I ever saw when it came to flows is when CAL did pref interviewing with COex guys and if hired these pilots got a seniority number in the next class at CAL but were to stay at Coex until they flowed up but once they did they had a seniority from a much much earlier class. There was this punk at Coex that CAL turned down in the pref interview but later he got to flow up anyways... and flow down where is bitter antics about cost him or did cost him both jobs. So there is a guy who an airline doesn't want, proves himself to be the wrong guy but they had to take him anyways. Not wise. I think that's why I like Compass' situation best in how they were hired.
09-03-2009, 10:25 AM
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09-03-2009, 10:26 AM
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Before I go, let me make a point. Our futures in this industry in inexorably entwined. Whether we believe it or not, whether we like it or not, the MBAs running these companies are smarter than us. Their wet dream is to keep us fighting over scraps while they retire to the country club with cigars and brandy. So far they've succeeded. Our only hope is to pull together, circle the wagons, and fight them as one. I'm beginning to think that just isn't possible.
The reason I got involved with this thread in the first place was to point out how ridiculous the attacks on Joe are. Joe says he isn't interested in becoming a Delta pilot, and no one can believe that. Guess what... there are LOTS of regional pilots who feel that way. For guys like me and Joe, it's not worth it to resign a decade of seniority (with the pay and qol that brings) just to start over and become furlough fodder. There is no longer a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. The days of a million dollar retirement package are long gone and never coming back. Do I want to be flying 5 leg a day 4 day trips until I'm 65? (Regardless of what symbol is on the tail). Of course not. Most of us at the regionals have an exit plan from the industry. This has become "just a job". Now if we could find a way to at least somewhat turn it back into a career you can retire from proudly, then great. This is what I'd like to think we've been discussing here. Otherwise, I wish those of you who don't have an exit plan "good luck" as you sit by arguing and let the MBAs outsource your careers some more.
And you're right. Nothing will be decided on a message board. Some of us are working behind the scenes to make things happen. Most are blabbering online. This here is just mental masturbation. It really is pointless unless you have the power to make it happen. Several of your peers have called for taking back all the RJs and making us interview for our jobs. Great! STOP TALKING ABOUT IT AND DO IT ALREADY! At least you will have done something to fix the problem.
Good luck "Dude" to you and all of your peers. I hope it works out.
09-03-2009, 10:26 AM
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09-03-2009, 10:27 AM
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CPZ pilots are also represented by the DALPA MEC, at least until October, when we may possibly be removed to start our own MEC (I hope not...).
09-03-2009, 10:38 AM
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- We share the same MEC, reducing conflicts of interest
- Compass exists in a narrow, easily closed, loophole in our scope
- We have a unrestricted bi-directional flow through which places pilots in a sort of seniority order
- Compass has nearly no longevity - mitigating concerns about longevity
- Compass operates a different Type than other ALPA pilot groups. We could "take back" the large Embraer flying while being able to distinctly identify that Type in our scope - for instance "all E170 family aircraft and all subsitutions, or replacements, will be flown by Delta pilots." This would avoid charges that we are trying to take, i.e ASA, Mesaba's or Comair's flying.
That's one idea that got shot down before it even made it out of he LEC level, but I think it is a practical roadmap to resolve the non working flow agreements and ultimately restore unity by "Delta pilots doing Delta flying."
09-03-2009, 10:41 AM
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John,
You post on a Delta message board and then when people question you or your motives you seem to get extremely defensive. You refuse to answer pointed questions (flamebait as you say) and say I am ignorant because I claim to "know anything about you from your musings." Lets work on reading comprehension 101. I ASKED if you had no knowledge of airline history, I did NOT state you had none, therefore no ignorance on my part. Lets stick to the discussion with facts and logic not emotion!
You post on a Delta message board and then when people question you or your motives you seem to get extremely defensive. You refuse to answer pointed questions (flamebait as you say) and say I am ignorant because I claim to "know anything about you from your musings." Lets work on reading comprehension 101. I ASKED if you had no knowledge of airline history, I did NOT state you had none, therefore no ignorance on my part. Lets stick to the discussion with facts and logic not emotion!
09-03-2009, 10:41 AM
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In a nutshell:
ted to play, I'd love to have them. The precedent would be set and they would have to abide rules #1 through #3 above.
That's one idea that got shot down before it even made it out of he LEC level, but I think it is a practical roadmap to resolve the non working flow agreements and ultimately restore unity by "Delta pilots doing Delta flying."
- We share the same MEC, reducing conflicts of interest
- Compass exists in a narrow, easily closed, loophole in our scope
- We have a unrestricted bi-directional flow through which places pilots in a sort of seniority order
- Compass has nearly no longevity - mitigating concerns about longevity
- Compass operates a different Type than other ALPA pilot groups. We could "take back" the large Embraer flying while being able to distinctly identify that Type in our scope - for instance "all E170 family aircraft and all subsitutions, or replacements, will be flown by Delta pilots." This would avoid charges that we are trying to take, i.e ASA, Mesaba's or Comair's flying.
ted to play, I'd love to have them. The precedent would be set and they would have to abide rules #1 through #3 above.
That's one idea that got shot down before it even made it out of he LEC level, but I think it is a practical roadmap to resolve the non working flow agreements and ultimately restore unity by "Delta pilots doing Delta flying."
Thanks for the info Bar
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