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Yes, he has. Politically smart.
But, a case could be made that DPA supporters have committed acts which are contrary to the best interest of the association and its members and propose to circumvent and interfere with our collective bargaining.
We are a union hence we benefit by embracing all brothers in unity. The Master Chairman is correct, but just know there are rules against what is going on here by the DPA.
Not that the DPA really cares about ALPA's rules ... but it is a consideration I think most of us who want change at least consider ... a way to keep things positive so the outcome for the Delta pilots is never jeopardized.
But, a case could be made that DPA supporters have committed acts which are contrary to the best interest of the association and its members and propose to circumvent and interfere with our collective bargaining.
We are a union hence we benefit by embracing all brothers in unity. The Master Chairman is correct, but just know there are rules against what is going on here by the DPA.
Not that the DPA really cares about ALPA's rules ... but it is a consideration I think most of us who want change at least consider ... a way to keep things positive so the outcome for the Delta pilots is never jeopardized.
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Whether there's a conflict of interest is not even in question Bar. You and ALPA simply argue that they are managing the conflict fairly. Some of us disagree.
The coordination of interest that built our union was one of unifying the airline pilot occupation. It never would have considered the sale of one person's job to another a "coordinated interest." It fought against the New York Air's and other alter-ego airlines of the time. Now ALPA has expressly signed on to an alter ego airline. And it did so without any member putting forth a resolution to promote alter ego airlines.
In the view of this old guy, we've come a long way from our distinguished past.
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The coordination of interest that built our union was one of unifying the airline pilot occupation. It never would have considered the sale of one person's job to another a "coordinated interest." It fought against the New York Air's and other alter-ego airlines of the time. Now ALPA has expressly signed on to an alter ego airline. And it did so without any member putting forth a resolution to promote alter ego airlines.
In the view of this old guy, we've come a long way from our distinguished past.
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Carl,
Obviously our Reps were different here at Delta, but Northwest was on board at the time as well. FWIW, Tim Caplinger's reasoning is founded in what our MEC's were putting out in 2000; specifically:
The DPA is ironically, an old ugly ALPA Admin chicken that has simply returned to it's roost.
Not that I'm willing to give the DPA credit, but to claim the moral high ground of unity, ALPA has to return to it's representational roots.
Obviously our Reps were different here at Delta, but Northwest was on board at the time as well. FWIW, Tim Caplinger's reasoning is founded in what our MEC's were putting out in 2000; specifically:
- We do not want mergers with our express carriers forced on us
- We do not want to lower our standards to theirs
- Military pilots would never want to start their mainline career on Regional Jets at RJ pay
- The express pilots are not qualified to be us
The DPA is ironically, an old ugly ALPA Admin chicken that has simply returned to it's roost.
Not that I'm willing to give the DPA credit, but to claim the moral high ground of unity, ALPA has to return to it's representational roots.
What does define ALPA's conflict of interest is the fact that ALPA courted (and won) the right to represent the airlines to whom branded flying had been surrendered. ALPA was under no obligation to do that. ALPA chose to do that, and as such, constructed their conflict of interest.
Can we at least agree on just those facts?
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Please cite your references, chapter and paragraph from ALPA source documents and federal code supporting that position.
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I sent my DPA renewal card in...
Is DPA the answer? Truthfully I'm not sure, but I welcome the debate a representational election would trigger.
People castigate Tim Caplinger yet Lee Moak is given a free pass for endorsing the Pinnacle/DAL management backroom deal. To me that's a double standard, something I abhor.
Bar preaches unity, yet we don't see that practiced by ALPA national...
Is DPA the answer? Truthfully I'm not sure, but I welcome the debate a representational election would trigger.
People castigate Tim Caplinger yet Lee Moak is given a free pass for endorsing the Pinnacle/DAL management backroom deal. To me that's a double standard, something I abhor.
Bar preaches unity, yet we don't see that practiced by ALPA national...
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Well said. I've lost count of the guys who have told me that they signed cards but would never really vote for DPA. They just want to "put pressure on ALAP." Mission accomplished.
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I sent my DPA renewal card in...
Is DPA the answer? Truthfully I'm not sure, but I welcome the debate a representational election would trigger.
People castigate Tim Caplinger yet Lee Moak is given a free pass for endorsing the Pinnacle/DAL management backroom deal. To me that's a double standard, something I abhor.
Bar preaches unity, yet we don't see that practiced by ALPA national...
Is DPA the answer? Truthfully I'm not sure, but I welcome the debate a representational election would trigger.
People castigate Tim Caplinger yet Lee Moak is given a free pass for endorsing the Pinnacle/DAL management backroom deal. To me that's a double standard, something I abhor.
Bar preaches unity, yet we don't see that practiced by ALPA national...
Debate is good. For a long time it appears that DALPA has taken the Delta Pilot group for granted.
Individual DALPA members themselves are mostly stellar people and very hard working. However, DALPA as a whole can often come off very condescending towards the Pilot group. I have never in 14 years seen any official DALPA communication ever even hint at them performing anything but flawlessly.
I can think of a few times where it would have be refreshing to hear from DALPA something like "In hindsight we probably should have done that a little differently." Its as if they think admitting any thing other perfection would be a calamity. Just the opposite in my opinion, a little humility can go a long way.
DALPA does appears to be trying a little harder, but you can make the argument that this is because of the DPA.
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I sent my DPA renewal card in...
Is DPA the answer? Truthfully I'm not sure, but I welcome the debate a representational election would trigger.
People castigate Tim Caplinger yet Lee Moak is given a free pass for endorsing the Pinnacle/DAL management backroom deal. To me that's a double standard, something I abhor.
Bar preaches unity, yet we don't see that practiced by ALPA national...
Is DPA the answer? Truthfully I'm not sure, but I welcome the debate a representational election would trigger.
People castigate Tim Caplinger yet Lee Moak is given a free pass for endorsing the Pinnacle/DAL management backroom deal. To me that's a double standard, something I abhor.
Bar preaches unity, yet we don't see that practiced by ALPA national...
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