Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-30-2013, 07:35 AM
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What percentage of flight ops is the pilot group? Of the past 13 recipients of the Flight Operations Employee of the Quarter awards only one was a line pilot. I'm not saying we have to get our fair share, but we're apparently not all that impressive as a group.
08-30-2013, 07:39 AM
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Good question. According to the latest CQ CD, we are really QUITE impressive as a group. Maybe the CD is not involved in the award selection process?
08-30-2013, 08:12 AM
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Interesting that ALPA is making a solid and deliberate attempt at bringing the DPA distraction to a head before it does more damage. I support this.
Of course, none of this means anything if we don't pivot into an equally clear approach with management, one that clearly defines what we need out if a relationship to call it constructive.
The real casualty of the DPA effort has been engagement within the union. Some felt that sending a card and waiting for the DPA to materialize is enough, but in fact it's nothing more than a letter to Santa.
4,000 pilots, really? Imagine how dynamic our union is going to be if just a fraction shows up at actual meetings.
We need to affect the ACTIONS of our union, and control it better, and get over this futile effort to replace the old boss by the same new boss. Especially when it's some if the very same people trying to get back in power.
The key to this entire thing is effective, intelligent activism.
Of course, none of this means anything if we don't pivot into an equally clear approach with management, one that clearly defines what we need out if a relationship to call it constructive.
The real casualty of the DPA effort has been engagement within the union. Some felt that sending a card and waiting for the DPA to materialize is enough, but in fact it's nothing more than a letter to Santa.
4,000 pilots, really? Imagine how dynamic our union is going to be if just a fraction shows up at actual meetings.
We need to affect the ACTIONS of our union, and control it better, and get over this futile effort to replace the old boss by the same new boss. Especially when it's some if the very same people trying to get back in power.
The key to this entire thing is effective, intelligent activism.
08-30-2013, 08:14 AM
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08-30-2013, 08:25 AM
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But DPA never was about being the loyal opposition. IMO, it was always a power struggle, designed to usurp legitimate activism, under nebulous pretenses. Whatever red-herring might stick was used, but at the end of the day, it's very obvious the intent was to capture power (a suspicious endeavor), not effect change in actions and policies.
There is a need for more participation, more activism, to the benefit of the Delta pilots. There isn't any need to split the group over representation. Never was, really.
IMO there IS a majority of pilots that want more, and they never should have been split into people that think TC is a prophet, vs. those who think... otherwise.
08-30-2013, 08:50 AM
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08-30-2013, 08:54 AM
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That's actually the opposite of my point. If people are truly concerned about our actions, they should work at influencing those actions. You only need a small number to effect a resolution. If you really want to change leadership, that doesn't take 4,000 either. IOW, you don't need to be the majority to have a major impact.
But DPA never was about being the loyal opposition. IMO, it was always a power struggle, designed to usurp legitimate activism, under nebulous pretenses. Whatever red-herring might stick was used, but at the end of the day, it's very obvious the intent was to capture power (a suspicious endeavor), not effect change in actions and policies.
There is a need for more participation, more activism, to the benefit of the Delta pilots. There isn't any need to split the group over representation. Never was, really.
IMO there IS a majority of pilots that want more, and they never should have been split into people that think TC is a prophet, vs. those who think... otherwise.
But DPA never was about being the loyal opposition. IMO, it was always a power struggle, designed to usurp legitimate activism, under nebulous pretenses. Whatever red-herring might stick was used, but at the end of the day, it's very obvious the intent was to capture power (a suspicious endeavor), not effect change in actions and policies.
There is a need for more participation, more activism, to the benefit of the Delta pilots. There isn't any need to split the group over representation. Never was, really.
IMO there IS a majority of pilots that want more, and they never should have been split into people that think TC is a prophet, vs. those who think... otherwise.
08-30-2013, 09:02 AM
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That was a lot of words, hitmefurl.
Now then, what can you answer to the major faults at DALPA that have provided the greatest boost to the DPA in the last few years? What would you say are the primary causes to more than half our active pilots filling out and sending in cards in support of DPA?
Now then, what can you answer to the major faults at DALPA that have provided the greatest boost to the DPA in the last few years? What would you say are the primary causes to more than half our active pilots filling out and sending in cards in support of DPA?
a conflict of interest
They fail to understand our profession was built on
a coordination of interest
08-30-2013, 09:41 AM
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Caplinger's reference to Chinese abortions was a mistake. A mistake because it showed bad judgment by letting emotions take over from a dispassionate view of current facts.
Roberts' letter calling a legal organization supported by many thousands of Delta pilots a "scourge" was a similar mistake. He showed bad judgment by letting his emotions overtake him.
Carl
Roberts' letter calling a legal organization supported by many thousands of Delta pilots a "scourge" was a similar mistake. He showed bad judgment by letting his emotions overtake him.
Carl
08-30-2013, 09:54 AM
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In the view of this old guy, we've come a long way from our distinguished past.
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