Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-29-2013, 03:35 PM
The Brown Dot +1
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The 777LR or 300 are pretty amazing machines. The LR can connect any two cities on the planet, carry all the people and all the cargo. The -300 has (I think) two more pallet positions than the pax configured 747-400, longer range and comparable pax with two engine economics.
They are different missions and both do their design mission well. In the case of the LR, extremely well. Additionally, I think the manning is different in the categories due to 3 man or 4 man crews.
In my case, I'd rather have more 777s, but I have nothing against the airbus.
08-29-2013, 03:38 PM
Gets Weekends Off
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I haven't flown both, but I had considered going to the 330 for more continental Europe. I have picked many pilots brains on the Boeing to Airbus transition. The Boeing diehards that went to the bus say its a good jet. It does some things better and some worse and doesn't do some things. The general consensus is that after 6 months on the 330, you are perfectly comfortable.
The 777LR or 300 are pretty amazing machines. The LR can connect any two cities on the planet, carry all the people and all the cargo. The -300 has (I think) two more pallet positions than the pax configured 747-400, longer range and comparable pax with two engine economics.
They are different missions and both do their design mission well. In the case of the LR, extremely well.
The 777LR or 300 are pretty amazing machines. The LR can connect any two cities on the planet, carry all the people and all the cargo. The -300 has (I think) two more pallet positions than the pax configured 747-400, longer range and comparable pax with two engine economics.
They are different missions and both do their design mission well. In the case of the LR, extremely well.
08-29-2013, 04:04 PM
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
From the DALPA boards:
Two positive threads.
First talk about more hiring than originally planned. Second talk of the WB order being announced with an interim order of 10 777's and 30 737-900's OR 10 330's and 30 321's (no split order.) Waiting for BOD approval. Should be announced by the end of August (tomorrow?)
As always - Good news tomorrow
Scoop
Two positive threads.
First talk about more hiring than originally planned. Second talk of the WB order being announced with an interim order of 10 777's and 30 737-900's OR 10 330's and 30 321's (no split order.) Waiting for BOD approval. Should be announced by the end of August (tomorrow?)
As always - Good news tomorrow
Scoop
I can't believe we'd buy even more anemic 737-900s. That plane makes the 321 look like a rocket.That being said, the 777 is top of the payscale and unlimited in deployment capability. It depends on what they need the aircraft to do and if they need that much aircraft (it costs more and is heavier/burns more fuel than the 330.
08-29-2013, 04:11 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2005
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I haven't flown both, but I had considered going to the 330 for more continental Europe. I have picked many pilots brains on the Boeing to Airbus transition. The Boeing diehards that went to the bus say its a good jet. It does some things better and some worse and doesn't do some things. The general consensus is that after 6 months on the 330, you are perfectly comfortable.
The 777LR or 300 are pretty amazing machines. The LR can connect any two cities on the planet, carry all the people and all the cargo. The -300 has (I think) two more pallet positions than the pax configured 747-400, longer range and comparable pax with two engine economics.
They are different missions and both do their design mission well. In the case of the LR, extremely well. Additionally, I think the manning is different in the categories due to 3 man or 4 man crews.
In my case, I'd rather have more 777s, but I have nothing against the airbus.
The 777LR or 300 are pretty amazing machines. The LR can connect any two cities on the planet, carry all the people and all the cargo. The -300 has (I think) two more pallet positions than the pax configured 747-400, longer range and comparable pax with two engine economics.
They are different missions and both do their design mission well. In the case of the LR, extremely well. Additionally, I think the manning is different in the categories due to 3 man or 4 man crews.
In my case, I'd rather have more 777s, but I have nothing against the airbus.
From a layover perspective definitely the 330
08-29-2013, 04:23 PM
seeing the large hubs...
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Hmm - I think that DPA hadn't gotten much wind in their sails by mid of 2012, when the TA came out and the voting was taking place. So I don't think it weakened C2012. I think now a lot more people know about DPA. Also, in 2012 DPA was running a mostly gentlemanly campaign to change the bargaining agent. I think that now that DPA has run off the rails and is just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. The turning point for me personally was TC's comparison of Chinese forced abortions to ALPA. Do we really want people who think that's an appropriate way to discuss matters among professional pilots, Wall Street, on Capitol Hill and the company?
ALPA may be slow to change, but I'm not worried about what they are going to decision makers that affect our careers.
I just think that DPA will divert some attention from the real issue come 2015 - namely a better contract. If ALPA and DPA are continuing to argue about representation, people might just tune out and not pay attention to any of C2015 - just when we need the most participation and unity.
ALPA may be slow to change, but I'm not worried about what they are going to decision makers that affect our careers.
I just think that DPA will divert some attention from the real issue come 2015 - namely a better contract. If ALPA and DPA are continuing to argue about representation, people might just tune out and not pay attention to any of C2015 - just when we need the most participation and unity.
08-29-2013, 04:50 PM
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Joined APC: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,530
From the DALPA boards:
Two positive threads.
First talk about more hiring than originally planned. Second talk of the WB order being announced with an interim order of 10 777's and 30 737-900's OR 10 330's and 30 321's (no split order.) Waiting for BOD approval. Should be announced by the end of August (tomorrow?)
As always - Good news tomorrow
Scoop
Two positive threads.
First talk about more hiring than originally planned. Second talk of the WB order being announced with an interim order of 10 777's and 30 737-900's OR 10 330's and 30 321's (no split order.) Waiting for BOD approval. Should be announced by the end of August (tomorrow?)
As always - Good news tomorrow
Scoop
08-29-2013, 04:55 PM
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Which long haul aircraft will be configured with real pilot rest areas versus business rest seats? Non revved on a 330 in Biz a few weeks ago and spent 1/2 the flight in front of a screaming 5 year old.
08-29-2013, 04:59 PM
On Reserve
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As C2015 approaches, I would like the focus to be just that.
08-29-2013, 05:01 PM
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Hmm - I think that DPA hadn't gotten much wind in their sails by mid of 2012, when the TA came out and the voting was taking place. So I don't think it weakened C2012. I think now a lot more people know about DPA. Also, in 2012 DPA was running a mostly gentlemanly campaign to change the bargaining agent. I think that now that DPA has run off the rails and is just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. The turning point for me personally was TC's comparison of Chinese forced abortions to ALPA. Do we really want people who think that's an appropriate way to discuss matters among professional pilots, Wall Street, on Capitol Hill and the company?
ALPA may be slow to change, but I'm not worried about what they are going to decision makers that affect our careers.
I just think that DPA will divert some attention from the real issue come 2015 - namely a better contract. If ALPA and DPA are continuing to argue about representation, people might just tune out and not pay attention to any of C2015 - just when we need the most participation and unity.
ALPA may be slow to change, but I'm not worried about what they are going to decision makers that affect our careers.
I just think that DPA will divert some attention from the real issue come 2015 - namely a better contract. If ALPA and DPA are continuing to argue about representation, people might just tune out and not pay attention to any of C2015 - just when we need the most participation and unity.
It's reassuring to see other people feel the same way.
08-29-2013, 05:03 PM
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Can we go with 777s and 321s please? I can't believe we'd buy even more anemic 737-900s. That plane makes the 321 look like a rocket.
That being said, the 777 is top of the payscale and unlimited in deployment capability. It depends on what they need the aircraft to do and if they need that much aircraft (it costs more and is heavier/burns more fuel than the 330.
I can't believe we'd buy even more anemic 737-900s. That plane makes the 321 look like a rocket.That being said, the 777 is top of the payscale and unlimited in deployment capability. It depends on what they need the aircraft to do and if they need that much aircraft (it costs more and is heavier/burns more fuel than the 330.
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