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And the "Represent All" conflict of interest continues to play out. Union Tensions Emerge over AMR-US Air Merger | Aviation International News
Not long after ALPA published its stance against the Justice Department’s move, union president Lee Moak cosigned with 12 regional airline chapter heads an August 13 letter to members supporting American Eagle’s position against US Airways’ effort to “whipsaw,” or pit regional airline pilots against each other to gain leverage in negotiations for new fee-per-departure contracts. The Eagle MEC considers Moak’s support a victory, given ALPA’s fervent advocacy of the merger. Indeed, if any new merger agreement doesn’t address the “whipsawing” tactics described in the letter, ALPA might need to rethink its position.
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I got the Dalpa survey call this afternoon. From the tone of the questions and the options of the answers, I'd surmise that they are planning on a representational vote in the not too distant future.
Questions were, as best I can remember them:
How satisfied are you with your LEC
How satisfied are you with the MEC
Do you think you have a strong contract
Is the contract enforced
Are you satisfied with the contract
How satisfied are you with ALPA
Have you heard of the DPA
How likely is it that you think there will be a vote for representation
What percentage of Delta Pilots do you think will vote for self representation
Will you vote for the DPA.
Not sure of the exact verbage of the questions. From the available answers you had to choose from for each question, about 1/2 way through I nearly hung up as it appeard to be a push poll. Then the questions got more pointed and interesting towards the end.
I've said in the past that I was done with Dalpa polling after they summarily ignored the contract survey (I'll believe that until it's PROVEN otherwise). However, this survey was different. I think they are trying to get a handle on a spiraling out of control situation.
I've been sitting on the fence the last couple of months. I'm none too impressed with Tim Caplingers rantings and foot in mouth press releases. However, as a VERY Sr SLC crew pointed out to me recently on a JS ride home....are there Alpa or Dalpa guys you don't like? But you continue to support them? Don't let your dislike of one individual dissuade you from the bigger picture of self-representation.
I'm sending in a card tomorrow. We need to vote on this BEFORE the next Sec 6....AND before Dalpa can have another give away of more 76 seaters and profit sharing for a cola raise.
Questions were, as best I can remember them:
How satisfied are you with your LEC
How satisfied are you with the MEC
Do you think you have a strong contract
Is the contract enforced
Are you satisfied with the contract
How satisfied are you with ALPA
Have you heard of the DPA
How likely is it that you think there will be a vote for representation
What percentage of Delta Pilots do you think will vote for self representation
Will you vote for the DPA.
Not sure of the exact verbage of the questions. From the available answers you had to choose from for each question, about 1/2 way through I nearly hung up as it appeard to be a push poll. Then the questions got more pointed and interesting towards the end.
I've said in the past that I was done with Dalpa polling after they summarily ignored the contract survey (I'll believe that until it's PROVEN otherwise). However, this survey was different. I think they are trying to get a handle on a spiraling out of control situation.
I've been sitting on the fence the last couple of months. I'm none too impressed with Tim Caplingers rantings and foot in mouth press releases. However, as a VERY Sr SLC crew pointed out to me recently on a JS ride home....are there Alpa or Dalpa guys you don't like? But you continue to support them? Don't let your dislike of one individual dissuade you from the bigger picture of self-representation.
I'm sending in a card tomorrow. We need to vote on this BEFORE the next Sec 6....AND before Dalpa can have another give away of more 76 seaters and profit sharing for a cola raise.
Just flew with a DPA guy with less than 8 months left on property. His vote out the door affects the next 16 years I have left. He's ****ed off at something that happened in the late 80's and he voted yes on every contract from POS96 to today. The pilots vote the contract in. MEMRAT is the power for the pilots. Blaming ALPA for a contract no one liked means that no one voted no when they should have. Are we really blaming someone else for not having the ba11$ to vote no ourselves?
This forum tears apart everything that ALPA puts out. Every word is checked and every paragraph scrutinized but no one appears to have read any of the DPA material or cared to go through it. A list of goals and a constitution that is downright scary.
Dues go up with DPA. Not only do they go up, they go up with no vote. That's something that can't happen in ALPA today. This is all from the DPA constitution and something that automatically goes into place on day one. I've emailed Caplinger with these questions and he hasn't answered but to say that nothing is set in stone. The constitution starts day one. Good luck going back to change that.
- The dues rate shall be 1.75% upon initial certification by the National Mediation Board. On January 1st of the second full fiscal year following initial certification, the dues rate shall drop annually by 0.25% every year until reaching a minimum dues rate of 1%. Special Circumstance Exception: Six (6) months prior to the amendable date of the Pilot Working Agreement, or upon early opening of negotiations if greater than six (6) months prior to the amendable date, or upon notification of a possible bankruptcy or merger initiated by the Company, the dues rate will temporarily increase by 0.5% until the new contract is ratified, or bankruptcy proceedings or merger integration is complete.
Flight pay loss is going up. It's okay though because they'll have more money they say. This is another red flag in the constitution.
- In addition, the Association will pay a salary of one half (1/2) of the ALV of the Category bid plus a premium of thirty percent (30%) of the ALV for the President and twenty-five percent (25%) of the ALV for all other Officers, Representatives and Committee Chairpersons.
Keep in mind this is just pay. If any of you have seen our treasurer speak you'll know that ALPA pays an override of 37.5% to Delta for benefits on top of flight pay loss. That won't go away. So, it's another 37.5% on top the 109 hours of pay! You'll also have read that the DPA is planning on getting rid of Delta reimbursed flight pay loss. That's millions in flight pay loss and override over what we pay today.
We all know the ALV fluctuates so if you use the same numbers that the DPA used for the their calculations (average 87 hours of pay per month) interim president FO Caplinger will get paid $289K or more than than they claim Captain Roberts gets today using the DPA's own numbers. Hello? The new guys have set themselves up to get paid more than the current guys they are upset with.
That's just dues and flight pay loss. The constitution has many other issues. New hires and military pilots returning from leave can't be reps. New hires get charged a monthly service fee (free today). Quorum is 3/4 of the members. A resolution needs a minimum of 25% of the members in a block to move it forward.
If you don't know or haven't spent time with anyone at USAPA, you need to. The promises and goals there were for a "cost neutral" contract in 45-90 days. Regardless of the reason for the split, they haven't been able to achieve anything and pay more for it. Their labor lawyer told the USAPA pilots he would get management on board with the contract on it being cost neutral. Our management talked about cost neutral, ALPA did not. Why would the labor attorney be pushing for a cost neutral solution???
How about this?
1. A contract which is understandable, enforceable and beneficial to both parties and should not exceed 200 pages. The average line pilot should be able to fully grasp all provisions of the contract and easily know their responsibilities while also easily determining if the Company is in violation of any area.
Gentleman, it's time to do the same due diligence on this organization that we do on our own today. I could go on but pick up is in 15. Did I mention I asked for my card back and it hasn't been returned yet?
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
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I read this article, outraged again that MEC Chairmen sang kum by yah and signed a letter stating they would commit not to do what one of their rank just did. How many of these letters have the express MEC Chairmen signed now? None of these MEC Chairmen called an Executive Board when it mattered.
I've never been sure what an "ALPA Career" is ... apparently it involves a lot of Sunday morning repentance.
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Ahh, the Sex Pistols. My first real CD put out by our friend Sir Richard at Virgin Records. Retired all my vinyl shortly thereafter.
Canada has less population than California. Even with so few they seem to screw up socialized medicine. Canadian nurses are recruited by U.S. medical facilities for higher paying contract work which soon leads to full employment and a green card/permanent resident status. No one up there really has anything great to say about the system. You wait months or years for surgery. If you really want it now many head south across the border. There are even "medical vacation packages" to doctors in Mexico!! Good luck to us all. We're gonna be stuck with a huge $hit sandwich.
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It would all work if SWA had not screwed it up!
Speaking of the return of college concussion ball, cough cough, enjoy while it lasts, I'm going to direct a post to the Auburn dudes and dudettes...
Cam on campus this winter finishing his degree.
And, since it's not Shiz and I shooting an approach I don't know what this is all about...
but I bet some smart ass will figure a caption for it.
Cam on campus this winter finishing his degree.
And, since it's not Shiz and I shooting an approach I don't know what this is all about...
but I bet some smart ass will figure a caption for it.
I'm thinking they put up the Miley Twerk on the Jumbotron...
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